ask the question to all the other isps worldwide who have done just that. As everywhere else rolling it out in cities is deemed more economic.

Notice a lack of emotive words in my post was just information

For now Openreach is largest uk ftth provider

The other providers don't use Openreach FTTP because they don't want it to succeed. If Openreach's FTTP footprint doesn't grow then they can say Openreach's products are slow and not up to scratch. It's very clever really.

In reply to a post by AL66:

With any luck, within 15 years we will see FTTC cabinets and their older PCP twins being removed for scrap - so all this effort now will have a short life.

Nope, they'll just be left there to rot. That's what they do now, most of the cabinets they've decided to stop using over the last few years are still there.

Edited by deleted (Mon 27-Jul-15 09:21:10)

A little bit of sense! Although I wonder if they realise how much it will actually cost!

Put this with the Openreach Inside/Outside BT question.

Get BT to demerge Openreach into a new company - owned by BT, VF, Sky, Talk Talk and others - share ownership restricted to ISPs or others with "good reason". Initial proportion of company based on a valuation of the UK base (not overseas) size of each company and BT made to return the funds from the new owners/partners directly to shareholders.

Then get each of those companies to provide the capital funding for investment - a bank guarantee for two years funding at day1, of which 1 years worth will fund the next 12 month programme at which point another 12 months worth is required. Continue with that until 98% or premises are covered.

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

ask the question to all the other isps worldwide who have done just that. As everywhere else rolling it out in cities is deemed more economic.

It's more economical than rolling FTTP out to sparsely populated areas but nowhere near as economical as rolling out FTTC in urban areas. That's what you're comparing against.

Discussing FTTP as far as Openreach goes in most of the country is largely irrelevant as the vast majority of FTTC areas were never under consideration for FTTP. FTTC was considered good enough.

In reply to a post by arobertson545:

But as far as I know, TalkTalk and Sky would still have a router plugged into that device so their brand would still be visible?

And why does it make any difference anyway? If you've bought a service from TalkTalk for instance, you're only advertising that to yourself if you have one of their routers.

Seems like a very odd argument I must say.

Sky / TalkTalk would have to either use BT Wholesale or purchase their own CableLink to a different layer 2 switch for the FTTP customer bases, which in many cases are very, very small.

Add that to the issues around deploying VoNGA and it's not really worthwhile.

of course FTTC is more economical than FTTP but I wasnt arguing that point.

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

ask the question to all the other isps worldwide who have done just that. As everywhere else rolling it out in cities is deemed more economic.

Fastman2 is wrong in one crucial respect - our cities don't consist of mostly apartment blocks. The UK has one of the lowest proportion of flats in Europe, second only to Ireland **. We're incomparable with a lot of Asian cities too.

A lot of places doing FTTP have a lot of flats, and are really doing FTTB. It is nice of the good old' boys in the fibre council to consider FTTB as FTTH - they know what side their bread is buttered on.

G.Fast and FTTdp, when the DP is within 50-80m, isn't really much different from FTTB, but the ftth council won't include it - too many vested interests and history to contemplate inclusion of the mortal DSL enemy. They're already smarting from the fact that clever EU political target - 100Mbps to 50% - was meant to force FTTH deployment, by excluding DSL, but failed at that.

** For example, Latvia has 72% flats, Switzerland has 58% flats, we have 18%. Those places need good FTTB solutions; we have 59% in terraced or semi's ... we need the equivalent to FTTB to work in urban & suburban streets of such houses.