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(deleted) Mon 07-Sep-15 17:59:48
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Re: What's next for fibre


[re: oaksys] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by oaksys:
So really there's the lie in the current availability figures:

the system doesn't provide the advertised capacity, even allowing asymmetric delivery. There's non advertised contention.

The 80% or whatever availability only works if circa 30% of households use the service. If the take-up figure was say 75% of households sign up the fast broadband equipment would need major overhaul in the exchanges and at cabinets.

In reality there's only one third of 80% delivery of service and that is subject to contention.


It is only a lie if you don't understand the difference between coverage and capacity.

Telecoms - as a century-old business - has always been about providing capacity to meet statistical needs, and expanding the capacity as the statistics show you are getting near the limit.

In the days of Strowger exchanges, you had a limited number of selectors for listening to dialling pulses. The dial-tone wasn't just a nice tone to listen to ... it was a confirmation that a selector had been allocated and connected, so you could start dialling. At busy times, it could take a few seconds.

Likewise the number of junction and trunk circuits - to connect you to other areas of the town, or other parts of the country - aren't infinite, and could run out. There is a slightly-asymmetric version of the "busy tone" that was used to indicate that the network was out of equipment, rather than the far end being busy on the call.

If an operator over-deploys equipment, it just sits idle, unused. A total waste of money that could be better spent elsewhere.

Back to our modern day broadband. Why would we expect BT to deploy an FTTC cabinet to be immediately capable of serving 100% of properties? We know that 20% don't want broadband of any sort, and 20% are happy with Virgin, which leaves only 60% that you need to target. And so far, it looks like two-thirds of that target group have been happy to stay on the cheaper ADSL-based services.

On top of that, BT know their equipment has a lifecycle where it works its way gradually into service (starting with appeal to early adopters) but equally has a gradual decline from service too - those early adopters will have given up FTTC ports to jump onto G.Fast ones instead.

That is considering "capacity" as the number of ports available. Considering the bandwidth available brings in a whole new set of things to watch. Sky, for example, brought in a whole new generation of Cisco routers earlier this year, to cope with the expansion of traffic on their core network (none, incidentally, at the behest of Ofcom).

Responding to demand correctly - by careful analysis of the statistics - is the difference between making a profit, and going flat bust. Analyse, and respond appropriately ... where needed. That is true of both the access, backhaul and core networks.
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(deleted) Mon 07-Sep-15 18:22:14
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Re: What's next for fibre


[re: mlmclaren] [link to this post]
 
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I did mean "USC" and also got this confused with the Superfast figures, so currently the USC is 2Mb/s by 2016!

The figure I was referring too was the Superfast figure that is currently said to be 24Mb/s to 90% by 2016 rising to 95% by 2018...


These are the specific UK targets, with projects funded and running.

I think the "loose talks" you speak of might of been where I got the 100Mb/s from.


There is an EU "aspiration" that talks of 30Mbps being available for all by 2020, and 100Mbps being actually subscribed-to by 50%.

I speak of the EU goal as being aspirational, because they have no funding to make anything happen. However, by setting the aspirational levels, it allows individual nation states to request EU approval of state aid measures to achieve internal targets that lead towards (but not necessarily beyond) those aspirations.

So far, the UK has proper targets for "superfast" reaching 95%, with funding in place. A lot of counties have their own aspirational goals of "decent" broadband for 100% ... but, again, none of these aspirations have yet been funded.
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(deleted) Mon 07-Sep-15 18:23:48
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Re: What's next for fibre


[re: MrSaffron] [link to this post]
 
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And my belief is that it really means 40% have the option of fibre on demand in the intervention area, hence the FoD news about it coming back to Wales at some point.

Given ultrafast is touted as worth £14k to property value am sure no one will mind adding it to their mortgage smile


LOL. We'll see a lot of that, then...

Good point on the re-appearance of FOD.


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Standard User adslmax
(knowledge is power) Mon 07-Sep-15 18:28:26
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Re: What's next for fibre


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I'd like to see G.fast implemented next.

The increased use of fibre optics, and the reducing of the copper wire should also lessen the interference on lines. This for me is one of the big, not so talked about, improvements with G.fast.

Also the speed boost is a good thing too! smile


The G.fast only benefits to be closer to the cabinet eg: 150m or less! Anything more than 150m away will be pointless!
Standard User mlmclaren
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 07-Sep-15 18:38:41
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[re: adslmax] [link to this post]
 
I doubt it will be pointless.... the speed drop off might be a lot sharper but I still reckon they could get 100meg to someone 300-500m away...

All depends on the frequencies and line qualities!

However I thought the idea of g.fast was to deploy it closer to the End Users from footway chambers.

FTTC* - FTTN - LTE

*Migrating > Full MPF 16th September smile
Standard User adslmax
(knowledge is power) Mon 07-Sep-15 18:40:34
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[re: mlmclaren] [link to this post]
 
ok, I think g.fast isn't the future. Only the true fibre to the home are the future. BT Openreach are useless and BT are always behind in fibre technology. Rant over!

Edited by adslmax (Mon 07-Sep-15 18:41:16)

Standard User mlmclaren
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 07-Sep-15 18:45:42
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[re: adslmax] [link to this post]
 
Rant indeed.... I suppose you won't mind them disconnecting your line then.... you could always use Virgin Media I suppose !

You can have true fibre if you wish... just takes an investment! oh and an appropriate monthly fee and not a subsidised one !

FTTC* - FTTN - LTE

*Migrating > Full MPF 16th September smile
Standard User adslmax
(knowledge is power) Mon 07-Sep-15 19:12:42
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[re: mlmclaren] [link to this post]
 
lol - I shall called formerly the chief executive of Openreach Liv Garfield to bring in FTTH 1Gbps down and up for £50 a month!
Standard User bowdon
(member) Mon 07-Sep-15 19:59:54
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[re: adslmax] [link to this post]
 
I thought that G.fast was putting a node at the end of the road. So it would be fibre from the cabinet to the node.. then my connection would go through that node?

Demon => Freeserve => Pipex => Be => Sky => BT Infinity 2
Standard User adslmax
(knowledge is power) Mon 07-Sep-15 20:22:17
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[re: bowdon] [link to this post]
 
The G.fast is sit next to FTTC cabinet (mini G.fast cabinet) I am not sure! That's what I think!

see here: http://postimg.org/image/ltwpjoxcl

Edited by adslmax (Mon 07-Sep-15 20:24:22)

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