Personally a blundering BT means much wider investment opportunities for others exist and then the true speed and promise of FTTH can be shown by those willing to roll it out.

Oh wait, they've had almost 20 years to do so and where are we?

Rather than conspiracy theories the reality is that as lines go live they take on board the connection data they get back from the line and feed this into the checker systems.

Or them using the estimate as some sort of cop out, this is what they have been doing ,so by adjusting the estimates in a downward direction = less work for BTOR investigating low sync issues
They are supposed to be use as nothing more than estimates , but this in reality isn't the case certainly by some CP's
My BT wholesale estimate has always been lower for both ADSL and FTTC and i have had FTTC for over 2 yrs always had the full 80/20 apart from brief periods, due to DLM over reacting prior to G.inp being rolled out

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Rather than conspiracy theories the reality is that as lines go live they take on board the connection data they get back from the line and feed this into the checker systems.

Well if that was the case why has mine always been wrong ,? and in their favour?
It maybe it is what their ( BT) official line of response is, But in reality it would appear something very different has been happening in many cases

Edited by tommy45 (Sun 22-Nov-15 20:14:03)

Any evidence that this is the case though? It would mean a lot of big data analysis to collect and feed this data into the checker, and what's the financial incentive for BT to do this?

After a complaint to the ASA, BT commited to providing realistic estimates to customers based on their address https://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudications/2014/5/...

Edited by deleted (Sun 22-Nov-15 13:40:01)

Where I am, there are probably a maximum of 20 lines on te cable from the cabinet. I was an early adopter and there was no forecast at that time - however when I received around 65Mbps, I was happy as it tied in with the line length, maybe a little slow but totally acceptable. Other estimates for properties on that cable were all slightly above mine - I am the last.

When I had an issue, the BT tech actually located a bad connection in an underground chamber that was totally "hidden". That pushed my speed up to around 74Mbps.

Within a few weeks all of the line estimates towards my end of the cable actually then increased.

So, proof that real data is fed back and estimates can go up as well as down.

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In reply to a post by edwincluck:

PM Batboy about it. He's an avid collector of, and fount of knowledge on apostrophe's of all kind's.

Apostrophes are not my thing.

That's not what I got told. Your ex say's you got specimen jar's full of apostrophe's preserved in formaldehyde.

I suggest you delete that comment before I report it.

In reply to a post by MHC:

When I had an issue, the BT tech actually located a bad connection in an underground chamber that was totally "hidden". That pushed my speed up to around 74Mbps.

Within a few weeks all of the line estimates towards my end of the cable actually then increased.

So, proof that real data is fed back and estimates can go up as well as down.

Similar sort of story...

My previous line was estimated in the region of 50Mbps, but we achieved 80/20. After a couple of months, the estimates had improved considerably, but were still somewhat conservative; the nearest properties' estimates improved in line with these. That change was over 2 years ago, and hasn't changed since.

These properties were a little island connected to one cabinet, via poles out the back, in a sea of properties connected underground to a different cabinet. None of those properties had a change in their estimates at that time.

My experience isn't that there is a widespread, systematic decrease in estimates. Instead, I see targeted changes that reflect reality.