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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sat 30-Jan-16 10:57:20
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Re: Zen fibre not so good?


[re: MrSaffron] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
Most likely congestion, Zen run one of our speed test appliances on their internal network (does not feed our main speed test database) so contact support to get a support number and try running that and comparing to the external tests.

If external and internal are both bad, then points towards a problem between the cabinet and the zen internal network at peak times.


I'm guessing your appliance within Zen is the one at http://speedtest.zen.co.uk.

I have the same issue as Kamil and aparat, and I get identical results whether using the TBB test hosted on your side, or on Zen's network. It also affects basically anything single-threaded regardless of origin - e.g. HTTP downloads in a web browser.

I don't believe cabinet congestion to be the issue, because that would surely impact multi threaded performance? I get absolutely flawless speeds if I can use a download manager or something like bittorrent. It's universally poor too, regardless of time of day (though I haven't yet tried it at 3am). I think Zen did tell me that Openreach didn't report any congestion issues?

Here's a more extreme example from my connection: http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

Though occasionally it's fine: http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html... (ignore the fact that it's IPv6, when it's poor it's poor with either protocol - and this is Zen's native IPv6, not a tunnel)

Right now it's all over the place on single threaded, but absolutely solid with multi threaded: http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

I've noticed one instance where the BT wholesale speedtest gives me poor results, but doing the test3 while connected to the BTwholesale test network gives me great results.

In reply to a post by bsdnazz:
The difference between the multi-thread and single thread download tests are interesting.

As far as I can tell/understand the ISP network sees no difference between the two.

A single test will have one data stream between your routers IP address and the test sites IP address. I assume a multi-thread test uses the same IP addresses but with different originating port addresses. The port addresses are part of TCP protocol while the ISP network is responsible for the IP part - TCP on IP.

I wonder if you have a firewall that's not great on individual threads.


I use pfSense on a beefy box (and have CODEL enabled to try to handle bufferbloat), so my router or lack of performance is not the issue. But I get exactly the same result even if I connect a computer directly to the Openreach modem, so my entire network can be ruled out.

In reply to a post by bsdnazz:
My understanding of Zen's POP rollout is that they have kit in many BT exchanges and the backhauls from the exchange to Zen's core network are under Zen's control. Unfortunately I've not found a list of exchanges with POPs.


There's a map showing their PoPs if you click the link in their press release. I'm not on the "Zen network", I'm definitely connected via BT wholesale.

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Standard User bsdnazz
(learned) Sat 30-Jan-16 13:04:45
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Re: Zen fibre not so good?


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I really don't understand the difference between the single and multithread tests.

As you say, a beefy box running pfSense with CODEL is unlikely ( ! wink ) to be causing a problem so why the single thread speed does not max out the connection is very odd.

The Zen POP map is really just a bunch of white squares on a map of the UK so it's not possible to say which exchanges the squares relate to.
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(deleted) Sat 30-Jan-16 13:19:21
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Re: Zen fibre not so good?


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I really don't understand the difference between the single and multithread tests.


+1 on that its beyond my understanding why smile

As to the pop`s yeah can not tell much from that map not even able to zoom in there. Pretty useless.


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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Tue 02-Feb-16 16:38:21
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Re: Zen fibre not so good?


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Small update.

After all the saga last week and emails sent to zen support I have not heard anything back for a while.

Yesterday I got email from Zen saying that the have some suspicion of `other` issues on the line here..

I have a guy looking in to this and I am getting in contact with him on Thursday.

Seems like someone is keen on getting it addressed so we shall see.

I will update here once I get anything from Zen.

Cheers
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Tue 02-Feb-16 16:48:15
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Re: Zen fibre not so good?


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In reply to a post by Kamil:
Small update.

After all the saga last week and emails sent to zen support I have not heard anything back for a while.

Yesterday I got email from Zen saying that the have some suspicion of `other` issues on the line here..

I have a guy looking in to this and I am getting in contact with him on Thursday.

Seems like someone is keen on getting it addressed so we shall see.

I will update here once I get anything from Zen.

Cheers


Are they trying to claim it's an issue specific to your line? When I got the run around they kept suggesting stuff like cabinet congestion or some local issue.

This is what I'm getting right now: http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...
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(deleted) Tue 02-Feb-16 17:14:26
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Re: Zen fibre not so good?


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Here is mine:

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

Basically they said that there might be REIN on the line but I am not so sure about this as somehow it only affects single threaded DL.

I will know more on Thursday (hopefully) after I have spoken with the guy who is looking at it.
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(deleted) Tue 02-Feb-16 19:21:56
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Re: Zen fibre not so good?


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And here is mine :

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

I dont think its RAIN on the line otherwise do we all have the same problem?

I dont think so.

Keep us updated Kamil please.
Standard User bet_here
(regular) Tue 02-Feb-16 21:27:06
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Re: Zen fibre not so good?


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Just seen this thread. I emailed support earlier about my test from http://speedtest.zen.co.uk./

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mml7aph3uyc3l8e/Zen%20Spee...

Awaiting a reply...
Standard User tommy45
(knowledge is power) Tue 02-Feb-16 21:30:24
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Re: Zen fibre not so good?


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I take it that you are on Zen's back-haul ? there is my speed test for comparison
Zen WBMC based

If you are like me reliant on BT wholesale for back-haul then the issue is more than likely with BT
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(deleted) Tue 02-Feb-16 22:17:11
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Re: Zen fibre not so good?


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I believe it is btw equipment here at Aldershot exchange.

The first point is for Zen to admit that there is something not right. At the moment they do not seem to see the issue. And bottom line is they are paying btw for trough put for their customers and I am paying them so any issues I am going to contact zen and they should kick bt up the [censored] to get it sorted for them.

But first we must prove that there is in fact an issue..

Till thursday..
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