In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

end of the day sky are free to set their prices how they want and sell how they want.

and at the end of the day, I am free to criticise their decisions and say why I wouldn't join them

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

As it turns out (in my view) they have one of the best 80/20 products on the market, probably as a result of their policies with loads of people using a poor router and a lot of their customers on lower end packages, it has meant that likely they have favourable contention ratios on their network, and my performance indicates that as well.

They also the only provider i am aware off which even considers customer request's to change DLM profile.

Sky's 80/20 isnt cheap but its also not outrageously priced.

If they offered true "pro" features like multiple IP addresses, IPv6, and most importantly total freedom to use any router you like, then it might be more enticing. But since they don't, it's off my list.

I assume that Sky still makes you use their horrible "hub" even on "pro"?

this is what I dont get, so many people moaning about sky stopping them use a router, they dont stop you from doing anything, they not enforcing it via a mac whitelist. I havent used their sky hub at all after they activated me, it was only powered up to grab the auth info.

Regarding IPv6 unless I am mistaken sky have done the biggest rollout of it so far from all the major uk isp's.

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

this is what I dont get, so many people moaning about sky stopping them use a router, they dont stop you from doing anything, they not enforcing it via a mac whitelist. I havent used their sky hub at all after they activated me, it was only powered up to grab the auth info.

Regarding IPv6 unless I am mistaken sky have done the biggest rollout of it so far from all the major uk isp's.

But Sky calls it a "pro" service. When I sign up, I want them to tell me exactly what I need to know to connect my router to their service, without having to resort to hacks to extract details from the Sky router, and then hope it keeps working.

They are the only UK ISP to make it so difficult. Even Virgin has a bridge mode that takes all of 2 minutes to get working.

Do Sky have IPv6 rolled out to end users yet? All of the big ISPs have finally woken up and announced trials for small groups of users and employees, but I don't think any of them have publicly deployed it yet?

it seems at least a big bulk of their adsl users now have ipv6 activated. Dont think any vdsl have it yet tho.

End of the day you make your own choice, if the lack of official support to you is a massive deal then sky is not suitable for you.

There is no perfect isp sadly its a case of picking which ones have the least problems you are prepared to deal with.

I will check the sky pro forums and report back here if I read anything that indicates a vdsl ipv6 rollout is incoming.

It may be possible that Sky & TalkTalk's UFO project may work much differently to Openreach's systems thus the reason for not using Openreach and maybe they have so suprises up there sleeves...

As far as rollout's go they do seem to make people mad, with situations like your friends, however it may of been a case where your friends line to the exchange may not have ducting for significan't parts of the line which lead to him getting FTTC rather than FTTP...

Also last time I looked all in one PCP and FTTC DSLAM had a limited number of ports for use, and it may have worked more conveinient to run FTTP to the other addresses further from the exchange due to them having ducting availble to use... they're could of also been restrictions on where the FTTC DSLAM could be placed and that may have cost more to divert the network and/or dig roads Ect....

I live in a newly converted office building in the centre of Crawely....we're 400-500 metres (Cable length) from the BDUK Funded DSLAM, getting connected was a nightmare due to Openreach not updating systems correctly and for failing to complete neccesary work earlier in December...

I was so annoyed that I wanted to go back to Virgin Media and just deal with the utilisation issues as they came, however most people in the block seemed to be more interested in Sky than Virgin and enough people didn't register interest it seems...

Annoying too, as Virgin's Fibre and Coaxial networks run 2 metres from the front of the building, they may still add the building to the network though a plan will need to be made and apporved by buldings owners/management...

The annoyance with a building like mine and the other 184 apartment building currently being finshed off next is that they could easily have fibre rolled out in them, but Openreach as you say either won't benefite from it or too busy to do it... though it don't help that developers don't think about it too.

I approached Hyperoptic but they wheren't interested as I was enquiring about my building of 24 and I think they need the developers to contacts them at ealry stages to get something started... (installing POP)

The other thing that will be very annoying soon is that the 184 apartment being built will be connecting to my BDUK funded PCP.... it's only a 96 port cab and is already connecting the busy high streets and other flats and buildings... so most those residents will no doubt be stuck with ADSL at around 12Mb/s

was going to posts nada, but some guy just replied saying on fiber pro he now has a working ipv6 wan address. So something is been done in the background, but sky are been silent on it.

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

it seems at least a big bulk of their adsl users now have ipv6 activated. Dont think any vdsl have it yet tho

Does this matter? I've switched ipv6 off on the router because it made Android devices' connections very laggy.

But to return to the subject matter of this thread, living in a rural area I've found that my Zen FTTC 33Mb/sec is fast enough for VOIP, web browsing and 4K video streaming all at the same time.

If ten times the speed were available for twice the money, I'd probably turn it down.

not sure what you mean by your question, but rollout of ipv6 most certainly does matter.

Only yesterday I was arguing with a provider for 3 ipv4 I mean THREE, this is how tight providers are getting, we need broadband isp's to rollout ipv6 like yesterday.

In reply to a post by lee111s:

I said majority, not all. Don't forget, there are LOTS of people who simply want to watch iPlayer, do a bit of browsing, send a few emails. Typically the likes of people on this forum are not those. We are the very small minority

I don't agree. I think we are the majority (unless you meant minority on these forums in which case I'm not sure). I also think the market has spoken. It's clear that most people are not interested in speed. BT's FTTC is showing a lot of people opting for 40Mb/s even if they could get 80Mb/s. VM keeps having to bump users onto faster packages because they don't choose to upgrade for themselves.

I would estimate that 10Mb/s down is enough for a single user most of the time. So sure, a family probably needs a 50Mb/s connection. But very few people have a real need for anything more at the moment.

Yes, that's what I meant. The majority of people don't want super speed.

The likes of people who frequent these forums DO want ultrafast yesterday. Those people are the minority if the UK population.