In reply to a post by lee111s:

Openreach are obliged to provide a pair of copper cables that are suitable for phone calls. That's it.

That maybe so but its not right that they supply other customers on the same exchange much more than that for the same amount of money.

OR are about as close to a monopoly as you can get and they show it with the way they operate, after all what can we really do as the end user.

Let's not forget, they were handed all this when BT was originally privatised.

In reply to a post by Smithy99:

In reply to a post by lee111s:

Openreach are obliged to provide a pair of copper cables that are suitable for phone calls. That's it.

That maybe so but its not right that they supply other customers on the same exchange much more than that for the same amount of money.

OR are about as close to a monopoly as you can get and they show it with the way they operate, after all what can we really do as the end user.

Let's not forget, they were handed all this when BT was originally privatised.

They weren't handed it. The people who bought the shares paid for it!

But also bear in mind that these last few cabinets in areas are the ones remaining for good reason usually. These are the tricky ones that couldn't be done with the rest of them. There's usually serious problems to be overcome, mostly blocked ducts.

I would also add that certain cabinets have to be prioritised. If you think of cabinet 8, there's no way that's at the top of anyone's list! Most people (maybe all?) connected to it would be getting more than 10Mb already. I can't remember the other cabinets that haven't been completed but they are all pretty central and fairly near to the exchange. They have to prioritise cabinets further away from the exchanges and there's only limited manpower. Thousands have been recruited in the last couple of years but a company cannot just keep taking on new staff indefinitely.

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We paid for this connection as taxpayers

What part of your connection did taxpayers pay for or are you saying that your line has been or is being upgraded for FTTC and that it is in part being funded by BDUK otherwise any upgrade will be as a result of a commercial decision made by BT and involve no taxpayer subsidy.

since this is subsidised by us,

Again may I ask, what part of your broadband is being subsidised by "us"?

Let's not forget, they were handed all this when BT was originally privatised.

You appear to be rewriting history. BT as a private company with shareholders and answerable to those same shareholders received nothing for "free". The government of the day received a considerable sum of money for the shares when the company was privatised.

In reply to a post by lee111s:

Openreach are obliged to provide a pair of copper cables that are suitable for phone calls. That's it.

That's it by law. However, morally the are obliged to provide it to everyone equally, that's fair. That's the British way, it may be different elsewhere in Europe.

In reply to a post by MCM:

Let's not forget, they were handed all this when BT was originally privatised.

You appear to be rewriting history. BT as a private company with shareholders and answerable to those same shareholders received nothing for "free".

They received the General Post Office telecommunications network for £1.

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

In reply to a post by MCM:

Let's not forget, they were handed all this when BT was originally privatised.

You appear to be rewriting history. BT as a private company with shareholders and answerable to those same shareholders received nothing for "free".

They received the General Post Office telecommunications network for £1.

That is correct, although I couldn't remember the exact price details it was bought for a token gesture and nowhere near what it would have cost to put in place. So I don't think I was far off or rewriting history.

As for the assertion that the further out cabinets are prioritised first, you couldn't be more wrong, in fact Irbys cabinet is one if, if not the furthest away and receives a very poor speed compared to the others and that one is still a long way from being done.

That's the British way

Something for nothing certainly seems to be the view of some in this thread including it would appear yourself. Which other private UK company do you consider should also provide benefits for free to its customers? Tesco's, Sainsbury's, Virgin, T-Mobile?

As in British Telecom

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

As in British Telecom

A non-sensical and illogical reply, a bit like others of yours recently such as your assertions about G.INP. Why precisely should BT provide something for nothing where it has little or no prospect of seeing a commercial return on its investment. BT is NOT a charity rather it is company answerable to its shareholders and as such required or expected to make a return on its investments..