My post was simply a reply to:-

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

I have still yet to see one of these common setups where people have a socket almost in every room

I am well aware of modern technology, as I thought I made clear.

BatBoy's post did not just cover these technologies, but also the historic aspects to which I had referred.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

I am well aware of modern technology, as I thought I made clear.

I do not doubt that, Bob! My point was that the uses for extension sockets are waning and in many cases it is best to disconnect them or fit a faceplate filter.


My brother and sister in law have awful ADSL2+ where they live. FTTC is available, but they are so far from the cabinet that they are unlikely to get a significant speed increase.

Their house has an old LJU1/1A or LJU2/1A master mounted on the skirting board (I can't remember whether it is the 55 x 55mm LJU1 or the 68 x 68mm LJU2 offhand, and it's 250 miles from here so I can't easily check). From there, there was an internal twisted pair cable running to an IDC block terminal under the stairs, from where star wired extensions run all over the house using a mix of good quality twisted pair and total rubbish flat cable. It's a 1970s house, with the sort of setup Chrysalis describes with sockets in almost every room.

If they had an NTE5, I would have fitted a faceplate filter. As their Home Hub 4 and cordless base station are both connected to the master and their Sky box only has Wi-Fi connectivity, I chose to disconnect the twisted pair cable running to the extensions from the back of the master. After pulling the wires out of the blocks using the hook on an IDC tool, I cut off the damaged tips of the wires and wound the remainder of the wires neatly round the cable in the back of the box.

Sadly, this resulted in slightly better speed but did nothing for the reliability problems they had failed to mention before I started troubleshooting their wiring. It turns out that they have dreadful problems with intermittent noise on voice calls and their router disconnecting, which suggests an unresolved bad joint somewhere. Unfortunately, they refuse to pursue it with their ISP, which is a shame as I think they would have much more reliable service if the fault is fixed. They may also finish up with an NTE5 in place of their existing master. At least if they pursue it now, there is no chance of their internal wiring being blamed as it has been disconnected!

Please stop!

I
know
all
this.

I repeat! I was replying to a poster questioning whether anybody has multiple sockets. Nothing more, nothing less.

I did not give a lecture, and I did not ask for two of them. Neither did the poster I replied to. I gave him a short, relevant answer.

You know it, Bob, and I know it - but there is still widespread ignorance that extension wiring that has often become redundant and ignored might be wrecking broadband performance. Some houses, especially those at the more upmarket end of the scale, can be full of extension wiring that remains unaddressed now that engineer installs and any form of "truck roll" are unusual.


Threads like this are not necessarily about educating each other - there was never any need for that. It is, to some extent, about those who are reading.

Let's leave it there, rather than splitting more hairs or drifting further from the OP's problems.

In an ideal world you have just one socket.

Reality is that dial up was hard wired, so this often meant a socket running from the master to the study.
Sky boxes used to be hard wired, again they commonly go in extension sockets. In many homes the master is in the hallway, the sky box isn't here.

Then you have the pre 2000s where cordless phones were barely used. So many homes have an extension socket running to the master bedroom to take calls there.

I think in most 3 bedroom semis you will find a socket tucked away somewhere, such as behind a bedroom wardrobe or behind a desk in the study or close to the sky boxes in use.

I have lived in 5 houses in the past 10 years, all of which have not had just one master socket.

Edited by ukhardy07 (Sat 20-Aug-16 16:17:21)

Only just logged bag in and seen the back and forth re:filters and sky boxes.
Thanks for that.... I guess?

Back to the point of the post however, the old junction box is now gone and in its place is a new OR NTE5, complete with VDSL port.

I have run a cat5e cable terminated into the unfiltered A and B inside the socket into the room where the router is, with RJ11 end crimped on

Now the download speed is syncing at 13465kbps a huge step up on the ~2000kbps he was getting before.

personally, I think that VDSL should be engineer install only, there must be many many more customers in similar situations who either don't know or don't care enough to raise this as a fault with their supplier

Edited by connormill (Sun 21-Aug-16 22:50:49)

That's much better!

What speeds were you getting on ADSL?

Care to upload stats from the HG633 assuming you have the Talktalk default router.

Brilliant!

Clearly you/he didn't wait the mythical ten days. Was there any quibble about that, and any charge made? Or don't you know yet if there will be a £50?

I hope he gave you a thank-you cup of coffee .............. [chuckle]

In reply to a post by connormill:

personally, I think that VDSL should be engineer install only, there must be many many more customers in similar situations who either don't know or don't care enough to raise this as a fault with their supplier

How true, but it will cost money! And all that ISPs want is to sell a product as cheap as possible ignoring the fact that their customers could get a better connection for just a little more.

In reply to a post by ukhardy07:

That's much better!

What speeds were you getting on ADSL?

Care to upload stats from the HG633 assuming you have the Talktalk default router.

ADSL was about 1.2mbps

I will get the stats from the router on Wednesday, I'm going round to install a pair of Ubiquiti NanoBeam radios to link this connection to an office he built in the garden.

previously he had 2 x ADSL lines, each getting sub 2mbps. now he'll have 13mbps shared between the "office" and house, much better and cheaper