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In reply to a post by RobertoS:

But not in Telford.

Few customers does have FTTP in Telford in Dawley.

I think Rob was replying to 23Prince who said the following:

Spectrum internet in Cardiff do it.

Rob wasn't referring to FTTP.

Paul

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

I take that to mean the Openreach ordering system can't easily be amended for the extra options to be added .

I think we know the answer to that

This web page shows the notification process that Openreach have to go through to make changes to their ordering system, with the first notifications starting 150 days in advance:
https://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/updates/eipcom...

They're obviously busy adding various use-cases for SOGEA and G.Fast at the moment.

Interesting, but that's how and when they tell their customer base about the products. Not the ordering system itself.

I've never noticed a footnote like the current one. It doesn't say they can't order it. Simply that it isn't in the order processing system.

Well surely the number of addresses/locations with FTTPoD listed must be significantly higher than those who can get native FTTP?

And almost all of them can get FTTC at literally over a thousand pounds cheaper installation and annual rental less than two months of FTTPoD .

of course it is.

The demand is created by marketing, so in other words the people selling the product decide if there is demand.

The product is fit to what they want to sell, it is not fit by consumer demand.

Pretty much every large company does market segmentation now days.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

But not in Telford.

Yup My bad. I thought they were UK wide, not just S.Wales.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Interesting, but that's how and when they tell their customer base about the products. Not the ordering system itself.

I can see why you say that, but its not true. The EIPs refer to XML specifications, the "development process", and specifically mentions "... files are intended for CP technical teams responsible for designing and building the B2B interface into the Openreach gateway"

The EIPs really do document the change-control process relating to the API between CPs and Openreach - which is effectively "the ordering system".

Some of the items can be listed, for example, as "build only". That seems to imply that the new part of the interface is being developed, but isn't going to be tested or deployed. I guess that is probably the equivalent of just letting the CPs know, without making it orderable. It looks like this happens to a small subset, with testing and deployment left to a subsequent release.

The whole sequence speaks to me of a software development process, with releases every 2 months ... and functionality being added in phases.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

I've never noticed a footnote like the current one.

It is certainly unusual...

Absolute gibberish.

Read Kotler, Philip. 1972. What Consumerism Means to Marketers. Harvard Business Review. 50(3): 48-57.

I wish I could get FTTP, without silly FTTPoD pricing (Infinity 4 would be excellent), but at least this should push VM on.

I currently pay them about ~56 a month for 330/21 on Homeworks 300, I'd love for them to try to compete with these packages, and perhaps replace the SH3 with something non-Intel without the Intel latency bug.