VM compete with widely available products, which excludes FTTP for the foreseeable, depending on how serious BT are with rollout, and most definitely FoD forever at this pricing.

I'm sure VM will be competing in time though - see this video from their parent. The new-ish DOCSIS 3.1 standard will allow a gigabit on the existing hybrid network, and of course the newer build FTTP will be fine either via DOCSIS 3.1 riding on the fibre or a PON variant.

Best of all for you such a product will require something that isn't the Superhub 3.

Yeah, hopefully G.Fast will become widespread fast enough to encourage them to boost speeds. Even if it only rolled out to 15% of the population, just by sidepods on existing fttc cabs, that could potentially be done in a very short time frame. G.Fast is supposed to offer 500/165 as a top speed I think I've heard?

VM won't want to lose the "fastest widely available speed" label.

Seeing as there are two speed variants in the pilot stage, 330/50Mbps and 160/30Mbps, I wouldn't expect anything else to be available come commercial launch time.

Price wise, you will have to pay some premium over FTTC for the new service. The other issue will be who offers it? There's only BT/Talk Talk and some select BT Wholesale ISPs taking part in the pilot.

I would be surprised if VM didn't have a gigabit available, albeit at a price, sooner rather than later.

A number of cable companies in the United States have gigabit deployments in various stages of completion.

You don't release a video like that one without having one eye on fulfilling that potential.

In reply to a post by nemeth782:

I wish I could get FTTP, without silly FTTPoD pricing (Infinity 4 would be excellent), but at least this should push VM on.

I currently pay them about ~56 a month for 330/21 on Homeworks 300, I'd love for them to try to compete with these packages, and perhaps replace the SH3 with something non-Intel without the Intel latency bug.

The downside to Infinity 4 is that you notice the congestion more due to you can loose up to 85% and BT won't class it as an issue until you loose +90% of your connection.

I am not too sure how good or bad VM are to do with congestion due to our road and side roads will never be able to get VM due to being a conservation area, luckily most of this area is FTTP.

Paul

The key is how does latency behave during this congestion time, its the latency/jitter that is the killer on cable.

Should point out this drop off due to contention is a global thing, and does get more noticeable as headline speeds increase

Afternoon Andrew.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

The key is how does latency behave during this congestion time, its the latency/jitter that is the killer on cable.

Erm, well I normally get around 3 to 5ms latency to most places in the UK and about ~120ms to the US etc.

But during this congestion if I recall what use to be around 4 ms was at the time around +97 ms.

While that latency isn't that bad, I was also receiving loads packet loss, which was enough to DC me from an online game and to also cause voice stuttering / corruption on voice chat (i.e. mumble)

So yeah the latency jumped up a lot higher than usual.

The strange this was normally the congestion only affected the downstream, this time it also affected the upstream.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Should point out this drop off due to contention is a global thing, and does get more noticeable as headline speeds increase

This is true, both of my neighbours that I know well who also got fibre the same time as me, however they only ordered Infinity 1 (i.e. the 52Mb package) and they hardly notice anything, in fact 1 of those neighbours has yet to see any speed drop due to congestion.

Luckily I do a lot of my stuff during work hours, so I am ok most of the time, its just when I need to do something late between 5pm to 2am that's when its been an issue.

The Christmas and New Year break was murder during the day LOL, but that was expected.

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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention there is only about 6 at most on our splitter node due to everyone else on our PCP cabinet are to get FTTC later on (so I have been told) so if I do the calculations right 2.5Gbps (fibre cable going into the splitter node) / 6 (number of homes on that splitter) = ~416Mbps.

So its not the connection between us and the exchange.

Paul

Edited by PaulKirby (Mon 23-Jan-17 12:22:59)

It'll be the BT Wholesale backhaul, Paul. Either the SVLAN out of the exchange, or the 1 Gb CableLink between the Openreach OLT that serves you and the BT Wholesale equipment.

BT Wholesale have been known to provision 330 Mb FTTP on 250 Mb SVLANs.

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

It'll be the BT Wholesale backhaul, Paul. Either the SVLAN out of the exchange, or the 1 Gb CableLink between the Openreach OLT that serves you and the BT Wholesale equipment.

BT Wholesale have been known to provision 330 Mb FTTP on 250 Mb SVLANs.

Ah ok, well during times 2am to 5pm our speed is back to normal which is shown >> here << which you can see is fine.

I might phone BT's FTTH team about this the next time it gets that bad, its a shame that department isn't 24/7 because the connection is fine during their work hours

Paul

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

BT Wholesale have been known to provision 330 Mb FTTP on 250 Mb SVLANs.

That's really smart of them!