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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Mon 13-Feb-17 22:18:15
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Re: 3db target - what to expect?


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In reply to a post by WilliamGrimsley:
I did. Just gotta know an Openreach engineer well. wink


You've got to get past the ISP support staff and Openreach systems before knowing the engineer comes into play.
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(deleted) Mon 13-Feb-17 22:32:13
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True.
Standard User adebov
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 17-Feb-17 22:52:15
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I've been away from here too long (and knew nothing of Openreach actually trying to improve speeds for very stable lines).

Only came back to see if Openreach were trialling something.

Three days ago (and until now; I thought for no apparent reason) my connection rebooted (having been up for an entire month).
For about the past year to 18 months; my connection speed has only strayed between about 64-66Mps.

The line is ridiculously stable (only ever seems to resync when I do something this end).

Suddenly; 3 days 22 hours ago (so just after midnight Monday; actually around 40 minutes into Tuesday) my connection rebooted (showing "Network Uptime" 3 days, 22 hours - I have the latest HomeHub).

The connection speed has suddenly jumped by more than 7Mbps.
A rise, such as that, should not be expected for a connection resync in the middle of the night (convention normally states night = more noise = lower sync).

Unfortunately (as I have the lastest Home Hub) I've no idea what margin DLM has stuck me on, but it certainly looks like I've been chosen for the trial (either by random, or because the line is so stable).

I wish I knew my current margin (or a rough way of estimating the attainable sync increase for every 1dB margin change - maybe someone has worked this out with VDSL - probably not; I guess this is the first time any of us have seen target margins different than 6dB)

I guess we'll know more over the next few weeks/months (if BT's trail does, indeed, become a roll-out and DLM starts experimenting with lower margins).

After years of rubbish ADSL and Openreach's punishing DLM (sticking people on 15dB margins because of thunderstorms or power cuts and refusing to un-stick it) this does make a refreshing change smile

Ade

vDSL2 FTTC Infinity with BT
DL Sync 73.31Mbps
UL Sync 20Mbps


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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Fri 17-Feb-17 23:51:50
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The smart hub should show the snr.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sat 18-Feb-17 00:21:31
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Somewhere in Troubleshooting I think.

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Standard User adebov
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 18-Feb-17 00:49:06
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In "Technical Log" (obviously smile ).
Typical of BT to get their units screwed up (apparently; my connection is 73.31kbps)
Anyhoo;
Data rate: 20.00 kbps / 73.31 kbps (yeah, right, kbps smile )

Maximum data rate: 20000 / 71987 (going by the actual "data rate" and the noise margin below; I figure I'm probably on a 5dB target (or still on a 6dB target and there's some other reason why the connection speed has suddenly jumped by 7Mbps, when every resync, over the last year or so, has seen the connection "speed" normally just shy of 65Mbps).
If the target has only dropped by 1dB, that's a heck of a speed increase.
If the target is actually 3 or 4dB, I can't see how the maximum/attainable rate is below the actual data rate (when the current margin is higher), but maybe I'm still thinking along the lines of how ADSL2 worked!

Noise margin: 10.8 / 4.5 (I'm not going to play, and resync during daylight, let's just see how this pans out)

Line attenuation: 15.2dB

VPI / VCI: 0/38

Modulation: G_993_2_ANNEX_B

Latency type: Fast Path

Ade

vDSL2 FTTC Infinity with BT
DL Sync 73.31Mbps
UL Sync 20Mbps
Standard User j0hn83
(member) Sat 18-Feb-17 02:50:43
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There's a thread with all the exchanges in the trial. If you're not in the trial areas then it was probably a DSLAM reboot. It's actually incredibly common to see a line randomly resync 5-10mb higher than usual.

Are you on a Huawei cabinet and have G.INP enabled? The stats you pasted show fastpath and I've no idea how the homehubs show G.INP.
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(deleted) Sat 18-Feb-17 03:16:33
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You look more like a plain DSLAM restart.

Only line that shows complete 5-4-3dB traits did the resync around 12:30pm.
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(deleted) Sat 18-Feb-17 09:34:51
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5db is the first step
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