In reply to a post by ian72:

I see the smiley but superfast broadband is highly suspect as a human right. Getting 9/0.9 pretty much meets all the requirements of something that could be remotely considered a "human right". Anything above that is I think well beyond what could be considered a human right (assuming that Internet at all is considered a human right considering the number of people I keep seeing on the news that are starving in various war zones - not sure they would consider someone in the UK getting faster Internet as a human right).

I know you were being tongue in cheek but there are many who argue that Internet is a human right and I don't buy it that people need superfast as a basic right rather than as a luxury/business opportunity.

I do Youtube to help people in need and who are going through a rough time because I myself have and still am going through a rough time myself, so with my 0.9 Upload I cannot interact with the people and live stream and also taking so long to upload a 1GB video file takes so long, when I upload it basically makes my internet unusable so I am left to do nothing but wait till it has finished. I understand people are starving in other 3rd world countries but guess what, we gave millions upon millions to these countries and yet they still are as bad as when we didn't give money.. where is all that millions going to help them? because I am sure its not all going to them.

It still doesn't make it a human right. It may make it highly desirable and something that would improve yours and other lives but that is very different from a human right.

I am also not saying that we should be diverting the money to others - although I know the government have been giving aid.

We should invest in broadband but it is an economic activity based around profit and loss - not a human rights requirement.

Re human rights, I was thinking very much along the same lines as you.

At best, in the developed world it should be classed as a basic utility, like mains water and electricity. It is close to becoming that. There are plenty of places in the third world where the women walk miles each day to bring home drinkable water, (after boiling it), for their family's hovel. Even without being in a war zone.

However, building on your comment about luxuries and business opportunities, even in the developed world there is no way domestic water and electricity supply could be used to run even a business as small as a supermarket, never mind a car factory.

Or in terms of the Internet, a data centre or peering hub.

There are plenty of internet products to run any business or provide any desired level of speed and capacity. People wanting those facilities simply have to pay for them. Just like you can't run a haulage business with a couple of Transit vans.

Lets ask this

1. Close a hospital or two
OR
2. Fund great internet

And even if 2 is chosen and funded, over what time scale should this be delivered?

What exchange and cabinet?

Some areas are destined to see their cabinets enabled but due to distance you may not benefit, or you may not even be connected to a cabinet yet.

There is nothing whatsoever to stop you getting multiple ADSL2+ lines and bonding them together. Preferably involving more than one ISP. Standard procedure for people needing faster speeds in either direction.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

What exchange and cabinet?

Some areas are destined to see their cabinets enabled but due to distance you may not benefit, or you may not even be connected to a cabinet yet.

Cleveleys Cabinet 59

Or using 4G for the important uploads i.e. those that have to go quickly, or if a friend has faster internet nearby in line of sight that a point to point wireless bridge would help

Cab currently in design. Expected back end of this year.

Yes, it was tongue in cheek. It was a joke.

Edited by deleted (Wed 22-Mar-17 10:56:10)