Or look at timescales for G.fast.

Generally for every moan that VDSL2 is slow, I see several more complaining they cannot get it, and Openreach and BT Group are under much greater pressure to make services more widely available than they are to increase speeds for those who already can get good speeds.

The switch to doing G.fast is timed so that almost all the BDUK work will have finished, releasing staff to work on the commercial faster than VDSL2 roll-outs

Indeed.

Out of curiosity, I wonder what the cost to upgrade a PCP to a G.Fast cab is... and if they'll offer if via a CFP in time.

It's of no use to me, at about 600m incidentally (and still without VDSL )

I could guess, but don't want to because people then take it as fact and forget it was a ball park figure.

CFP in its current format is all about getting something superfast delivered, so don't expect the g.fast pods to be part of it until perhaps 2020 when we might see g.fast nodes located away from cabinets nearer to premises, or if FTTP proves popular and a money maker G.fast might fade away.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Or look at timescales for G.fast.

Generally for every moan that VDSL2 is slow, I see several more complaining they cannot get it, and Openreach and BT Group are under much greater pressure to make services more widely available than they are to increase speeds for those who already can get good speeds.

The switch to doing G.fast is timed so that almost all the BDUK work will have finished, releasing staff to work on the commercial faster than VDSL2 roll-outs

Yes that makes sense, but they do have to keep up with demand, too.

It's kind of like Virgin Media oversubscribing customers in an area just to get as many on board as possible... and what happens next? Nobody cares, someone else's problem!

I need to read up on what this G.Fast is, I am behind

If it's a sky engineer then it's just to install the sky TV.
When we had sky TV installed the guy was surprised that our broadband was already active. I wasn't though !

Edited by witchunt (Fri 21-Apr-17 19:01:17)

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

To expedite the order must be initially placed with the extra expedited fees paid, £150 if I recall, but also think it has been dropped for FTTC.

GEA-FTTC Expedite / Point of Sale GEA-FTTC Expedite Note 2 01/04/2013 196.00

Was previously £180. Both plus Vat and possible intermediate CP markups if passed on the the end user.

Note 2 says: The Expedite charge is payable in addition to the FTTC connection charge. The charge is only raised if the revised Customer Committed Date is met.

Which means even an expedited order can fail to meet the target. Presumably over the last couple of years with the pressure on BDUK contract completions ISPs have found it not worth the effort.

In reply to a post by witchunt:

If it's a sky engineer then it's just to install the sky TV.
When we had sky TV installed the guy was surprised that our broadband was already active. I wasn't though !

They were confident they're getting internet but I'll find out later.

In the meantime I am still hopeful that the Zen install on the 26th will go ahead and because the internal wiring is brand new that the connection will be as close to 80/20 as possible, then I can sit and wait for G.Fast.

Also have a Virgin Media order but it got pushed back because the building isn't actually wired and it's a dodgy situation and we are trying to pursuade them to use internal wiring (some flats have coax cabling and some don't) - VM's solution was to run a new cable to every flat which would ruin how the building looks.

I'm on the fence about it, but if they can use existing cabling I would be happy, if not, I might just cancel and stick with the FTTC