Yes that's what Cerberus said.

How does Fluidone get away with charging £300 a month?

Monopoly on FTTPoD until Cerberus have entered the market?

Edited by deleted (Wed 09-Aug-17 16:26:39)

You'd need to speak to Fluidone about that. No idea what their costs are.

In reply to a post by mumba:

Yes that's what Cerberus said.

How does Fluidone get away with charging £300 a month?

Monopoly on FTTPoD until Cerberus have entered the market?

I don't think Fluidone will be losing much sleep over Cerberus entering the FoD market. Perhaps if Cerberus offered a FoD product with truly unlimited usage things might be different but truly unlimited usage at those prices (even £150pm) Cerebus would go bust. Bandwidth costs money!

Edited by deleted (Wed 09-Aug-17 16:49:23)

But how does any ISP then offer truly unlimited 330 Mbps on FTTP for £75 etc.?

Are you saying every ISP throttles their customers if they are not charging £300 a month for 330 Mbps?

Because large ISPs price it on the basis of what the majority of users will use in terms of bandwidth.

Smaller ISPs would be unable to offer this unlimited without their own backhaul as a single heavy user could cost them thousands a month.

In reply to a post by mumba:

But how does any ISP then offer truly unlimited 330 Mbps on FTTP for £75 etc.?

Are you saying every ISP throttles their customers if they are not charging £300 a month for 330 Mbps?

BT Consumer are the only ISP to offer native FTTP 330/30 for less than £100 pm with truly unlimited usage. Due to their huge customer base, their light users will be subsidizing heavy users (whether its on FTTC or FTTP) and overall, BT will find their broadband revenue will cover their bandwidth costs.

However with smaller ISPs with a much smaller no of customers, even a handful of heavy users cannot be compensated for by their light users, hence why they either have data caps in place (eg AAISP, IDnet, Cereberus) or charge higher prices in £100's per month for a truly unlimited service (Fluidone). I remember IDNet a few years ago introducing a truly unlimited ADSL2+ service and nearly every freeloader joined them. Their network became crippled overnight and were forced to re-introduce capped packages. Some small ISPs have even gone bust by taking on too many customers on a cheap as chips service, eg E7even (pay £120 in advance and then not pay anything for 12 months LOL)

Edited by deleted (Wed 09-Aug-17 17:50:36)

Ok that makes a lot of sense that the smaller ISP's can't balance out their customers' usage without enough of a critical mass of customers.

Cerebus say their service is unlimited but do you guys think that their AUP effectively allows them to throttle or cap usage?

Has anyone had experience with them to know if this is what happens in reality?

Edited by deleted (Wed 09-Aug-17 18:10:04)

I had a quote two days ago from Cerberus for FFTPoD 330/30 for £2K installation and £75pm (+vat) and they confirmed to me today that there is NO cap however they also said that OpenReach have just made a "sudden change to the commercials" so the price quote is no longer valid and the minimum monthly rental will now be £150+.

In reply to a post by brookheather:

they also said that OpenReach have just made a "sudden change to the commercials" so the price quote is no longer valid and the minimum monthly rental will now be £150+.

This is (to put it bluntly) a lie.
Openreach publish their pricing and are required to give at least 30 days notice of any changes.
The published price list shows that the rental charge for 330/30 and connection charge hasn't changed since 01/05/2014.

These guys sound like cowboys.

Openreach do not make sudden (negative) price changes. They have to give notice to all their customers as part of their terms.