In reply to a post by adslmax:

In reply to a post by Chippy_Tea_:

The way Trump is going we many not be here in 500 hours.

That's between USA and North Korea (nothing to do with UK)

Well it was a joke, i agree with Lee (if it was to kick off) but as you say its all BS from both sides nothing will happen.

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In reply to a post by witchunt:

Think its somewhere around <10% of UK properties are unable to receive a fibre based service but i dont follow the stats closely.

The trouble is that many of those are unable to get a satisfactory broadband signal at all

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

IMHO voice and broadband over copper will cease to exist one day, majority (>90%) of households will be on pure fibre for broadband, voice & tv services. That one day though could be 20 years from now, or 50 years or 500 years from now.

Ha! no chance - the will wring every last drop out the old copper/ali cables with changes in tech. (G.FAST for example) Some lucky people will end up on pure fibre only - but restrictive terms and long contracts I suspect which will put others off or be outside there budgets. I can not see a world where they would chop all the old analogue lines off and migrate people to pure fibre (unless there is a technical need) on the same terms/contracts/pricing.

What restrictive terms on full fibre?

Do not conflate the T&C around the FoD service with the native GEA-FTTP ones and contracts are in the 12 to 18 month region the same as VDSL2 for the native service

Sorry - Yes I was thinking of the FOD 3yrs.

But I can find plenty of people who think 12-18 months on a broadband contract is restrictive. Especially those who rent or are students for example.

Granted there are not going to be the same issues on pure FTTP that there are on FTTC with line settings, profiles etc which will make it less bad in that respect and less likely for people to not want to commit to such a period where they would of otherwise had uncertainty and little if any get out when there are problems.

Edited by IamQ (Tue 15-Aug-17 19:09:15)

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2017/07/openrea...

The likes of Zen/IDNet/AAISP are likely to start offering 1 month contacts in a couple months time.

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2017/07/openrea...

The likes of Zen/IDNet/AAISP are likely to start offering 1 month contacts in a couple months time.

That is happy days for lots of people & locations I know! good spot & thanks. At last there will be some flexibility and a way to get-out

In reply to a post by Chippy_Tea_:

Will fibre broadband become the norm as Broadband did in the years before dial up was turned off by BT late in 2013?

Yes. Longer term BT's plan is to start retiring exchanges, so they'll be delivering both voice and broadband from cabinets which in turn connect back to fewer, larger exchanges.

They'll have a set up similar to Virgin Media's where what would've been the exchange is in a cabinet.

ADSL broadband also must go. It's getting in the way of both higher performing FTTC and higher performing G.fast.

sky and talktalk will implode with exchange closures

https://labs.thinkbroadband.com/local/

The word many is true, as 886,000 premises is a lot but in the context of 28.5 million premises in the UK it is a small number under 10 Mbps.