I think there's some crossed wires here, excuse the pun

What you're saying is that an PCP extension pod wouldn't be used to house he block terminals for a G.Fast pod, only for a second fibre twin.

That said, I have seen PCP extensions used for standard copper connections when a new housing estate popped up.

Not sure what would happen in an area that had 2 copper extension pods? There must be some somewhere?

Would Openreach install a larger PCP? Or just not put G.fast at that cabinet?

In reply to a post by lee111s:

I think there's some crossed wires here, excuse the pun

haha. literally just about choked having a drink.

In reply to a post by lee111s:

What you're saying is that an PCP extension pod wouldn't be used to house he block terminals for a G.Fast pod, only for a second fibre twin.

That's exactly what I'm saying. Having the G.Fast tie cable block in the PCP extension would be a mess, and likely be a crosstalk nightmare (for the VDSL2 circuits).

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Point stands. Show me a G.Fast pod with a PCP extension that DOESN'T have a 2nd fibre twin.
How big do you think a 100 pair block terminals is? Even with 2 x VDSL2 cabinets, a PCP extension, and a G.Fast pod, the G.Fast tie cables/block are in the PCP, not the extension.

Well the cabinet in question (Bridgeton/42) that prompted my comments is what I would describe as "stuffed to bursting point", based on my nosey parkering while walking past with engineers doing work.

Further I have now seen what physical size of the tie blocks in a G.Fast pod is, and I would say there is not a cat in hell's chance of get the corresponding ties in that cabinet. That cabinet (Bridgeton/46) was basically empty compared to Bridgeton/42.

Presumably either a second VDSL cabinet or a G.Fast pod is going in sometime in the near future so lets see what happens. There is no building work in the vicinity that would require more standard telephone lines so it must be broadband related IMHO.

Edited by jabuzzard (Mon 31-Jul-17 11:43:50)

In reply to a post by lee111s:

Some PCP's have enough room to house the additional blocks needed without an extension.

As above, regular engineers won't have access to the G.Fast pod, just like they don't have access to the FTTC cabinets.

How do you propose service engineers connect customers copper circuits to the G.fast pods of the block terminals aren't in the PCP?

Spot on. Extensions to regular PCPs can be and are used for all sorts anyway. It all depends on how many copper Es and Ds are in the original PCP. Sometimes there�s strips of E-sides that aren�t in use, they�re just spare. But they exist and they�re taking up space, it�s daft to remove them as you might need them in future. But in a cab like that you�re going to need a PCP extension a lot sooner. Initially for FTTC they might just put in 100 tie pairs. In some cabs that might be all you can fit in, so straight away when they want to add another 50 tie pairs an extension is needed. Basically there�s no rules, it all depends on the cabinet in question.

In some cabinets there�s stacks of room. You might be able to house the tie pairs for VDSL and G.fast inside the copper cabinet.

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

Who says they aren't in the PCP.
I said it would be an almighty mess having tie cables crossing from left to right, from pod to pod. PCP extensions are added for VDSL2 tie cables, for 2nd fibre twins.

Point stands. Show me a G.Fast pod with a PCP extension that DOESN'T have a 2nd fibre twin.
How big do you think a 100 pair block terminals is? Even with 2 x VDSL2 cabinets, a PCP extension, and a G.Fast pod, the G.Fast tie cables/block are in the PCP, not the extension.

If you say so. You�re wrong though.

I can tell you don�t work for Openreach as even your question here doesn�t have an easy answer - �How big do you think a 100 pair block terminals is?� - It depends on the blocks, if the cabinet is the older style strips where you crimp the wires together (very common) 100 pairs can take up a lot of space. Depending on the type of cabinet they may have to use strips for the G.fast tie pairs as you can�t secure the newer style blocks to the rear of some of the older cabinets. Same goes for if the existing cabinet is a shelf style cabinet, you usually can�t attach modern blocks to them and either have to attach further shelves or use strips.

If the original copper cabinet is physically full, where do you propose the G.Fast tie cables be placed? I can tell you now they�ll be going in the extension.

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While the original extension may well have been a standard PCP extension, the cabinet is now sporting a G.Fast pod too. So my hypothesis that a full cabinet might need a PCP extension before it can get a G.Fast pod is correct.

As proof of the pudding I present a photo of the cabinet 42 from Glasgow Bridgeton sporting it's PCP extension and G.Fast pod.

I await the apologies from all those who said I was blowing smoke.

Wrong wrong wrong and wrong again. Take a look at this photo for proof that you are in fact wrong.

http://small.buzzard.me.uk/stuff/20170822_092449.jpg

Yep I am rubbing your nose in it, but if you are going to be so emphatic about something you better dam well make sure you are correct. Apology awaited

I point to cabinet 42 from Glasgow Bridgeon, has a VDSL cabinet, a PCP expansion pod that went in end of July and a G.Fast pod that went in yesterday. There is only one VDSL cabinet.

http://small.buzzard.me.uk/stuff/20170822_092449.jpg

So whatever your reason to think otherwise you are just how can I put it dead wrong.

It's not beyond the realms of possibility they are going to be standing another FTTC cabinet as well.

Not likely in this instance, but not sure what the fuss is about