Haha, but would you be allowed to give out that information on a forum? Probably not.

But if that was the case then Icarus would have likely not posted at all rather than posting to say they hadn't been told anything. Not being allowed to say is very different from specifically saying there is nothing to say

That's a very good point.

Tracking DLM has always needed masses of evidence gathered over time.

Nowadays we get less evidence reported by people, often with less statistical detail. And what we do see is less consistent. Far less consistent.

It is proving to be a slippery customer these days and, frankly, not worth the effort.

But, given the potential pain of getting capped, and having experienced that pain first hand yourself, I'm surprised you aren't giving it the respect & patience it demands (if not deserves).

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Haha, but would you be allowed to give out that information on a forum? Probably not.

Then again, that type of information would usually be shared by Openreach with CPs. At which point really it�s public information anyway. I�ve never found Openreach to be particularly secretive with things like that, as an open network provider it wouldn�t really make much sense to be.

It would be very different from me looking on the system, seeing a planned route for FTTP related fibre (which I have seen) and then blurting it out on here. As that might give Virgin Media or whoever else a head start.

To add if we start to see an obvious trend in the speeds of VDSL2 customers and its not obviously linked to a previous announcement e.g. G.INP, low SNR margin roll-outs, vectoring then we'd chase for an official response.

At the end of the stat the VDSL2 stats tracking can be interesting, but the only thing that matters to the majority is what speeds they get and what that allows them to now do.

In reply to a post by WWWombat:

But, given the potential pain of getting capped, and having experienced that pain first hand yourself, I'm surprised you aren't giving it the respect & patience it demands (if not deserves).

I'm struggling to work this out. Are you saying that I'm supposed to be giving DLM respect? Because at the end of the day, I wish I could, but I can't just yet. DLM is a great piece of engineering, but like I and so many others have seen/experienced themselves, it's very tempramental.

Edited by deleted (Fri 08-Sep-17 12:11:07)

In reply to a post by WilliamGrimsley:

I'm struggling to work this out. Are you saying that I'm supposed to be giving DLM respect?

I'm saying that you do need to treat the DLM with respect. That doesn't mean it deserves that respect out of being good, but out of potentially being very very bad.

If you woke up tomorrow morning to find a cobra staring at you, you would treat it with utmost respect ... out of fear.

Why poke a snake when you don't have to?

Edited by deleted (Fri 08-Sep-17 13:38:52)

LOL, so basically you're saying that due to the resyncs I caused on Wednesday, I should respect DLM. DLM should make it's decisions based on the line's condition, not the person causing the problem. That's an interesting opinion... I certainly don't think you can compare DLM to a snake.

Also, you're infering that I caused those resyncs to try and get banded again, not sure where you got that from. I couldn't avoid causing the resyncs because of the type of testing I was doing. If you read this thread, you'll understand why.

Edited by deleted (Fri 08-Sep-17 16:12:36)

In reply to a post by Icaras:

In reply to a post by WilliamGrimsley:

I'm not aware that you can be told it has changed, as it stays within the realms of Openreach. It was just something I noticed, so wondered if anyone else had experienced this.

You wouldn�t be told, but I�d like to think I would be told given I work for them and what my job is!

True Icaras , but I do not see why OR keeps the workings of the DLM so secret as it is very important to the user to understand what they can and cannot do.
Sometimes even on a very stable line it is important [if you build PC`s] to be able to disconnect the modem without problems from the DLM system.?