In reply to a post by BatBoy:

Can you link to the discussion?

The easiest way is via Google Groups portal (of course GG isn't Usenet !!)

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/uk.telecom.b...

I think this got highlighted too you but repeating here, i.e. while FTTP has a top residential speed of 330 Mbps

Packages at 38, 52, 76, 100, 200 and 300 Mbps should all be available as options (but not all those selling FTTP will offer all those permutations)

"so in short if he just 'innocently' applies for a 'fibre'
internet service with an ISP of his choice, it should all happen as if
it's an FTTC install"

That statement which is by you, is a totally inaccurate statement and WILL NOT HAPPEN, unless the ISP also sells the FTTP service to customers, the hint is given by a provider when you look up the address at the start of the order journey.

Oh I see the suggestion came from Magenta Systems. Oops

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In reply to a post by broadbandjockey:

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

I think this got highlighted too you but repeating here, i.e. while FTTP has a top residential speed of 330 Mbps

Packages at 38, 52, 76, 100, 200 and 300 Mbps should all be available as options (but not all those selling FTTP will offer all those permutations)

"so in short if he just 'innocently' applies for a 'fibre'
internet service with an ISP of his choice, it should all happen as if
it's an FTTC install"

That statement which is by you, is a totally inaccurate statement and WILL NOT HAPPEN, unless the ISP also sells the FTTP service to customers, the hint is given by a provider when you look up the address at the start of the order journey.

Yes, understood. Point of order though, you left out the question mark on the bit you quoted from me, it wasn't a statement, it was a question !

In reply to a post by Rastus:

In reply to a post by broadbandjockey:

They do retail FTTP, but of course as discussed only as a trial for existing customers.

I'm a Plusnet customer, I wonder if there's a loophole there, where I could get the service installed for him in my name ?

As discussed earlier in this very thread, with this suggestion offered.

Yes, it's certainly a loop hole, but quite a bit of effort, and I'm not sure the net cost after all that would make it viable ?

Okay so answer to question is a total NO

A big oops

Not much effort IMO!

You may need to pay for a copper line to be installed to be able to order ADSLx unless you or a friend has a 'spare' one available.

PN don't charge for the FTTP install so there's an instant saving.

They also don't require you to retain a copper line so there's another saving (but they charge a perfectly reasonable (IMO) £2.50 p/m surcharge if you don't have a landline with them), so there's a big saving on line rental.

Monthly costs are £17.49 or £22.49 p/m for 40/2 or 80/20 respectively without PN landline, and yes, that's for 'Unlimited'!

One caveat is that you can't have a TV package on the FTTP trial as their back-office systems don't accommodate that.

TIP: If you do order a PN ADSL landline and broadband deal don't enter a contract for the landline, go for a monthly deal. It may cost more per month but you won't be tied in to a landline contract so you can then cancel said landline without penalty.

EDIT:
PS don't forget it doesn't have to be a PN landline, so you may be able to find a good deal elsewhere regarding copper line installation costs.
2nd EDIT:
Although the landline wouldn't need to be PN, it would need to be BT based, i.e. not LLU.

Edited by Rastus (Fri 13-Oct-17 20:20:37)

NOTE:

There are some developments where you cannot order and install a copper line, voice services are over fibre optic and a lot of the time it is the ones where the FTTP is pre-installed - big clue is if there is a battery back up unit next to the fibre ONT (modem)

Without knowing the address and checking on https://www.btwholesale.com/includes/adsl/adsl.htm hard to say. What the poster will see if its a FTTP only site, is no mention of ADSL2+ services at all.