In reply to a post by BatBoy:

In reply to a post by Andrue:

Complain about what though?

If it were me, I'd be complaining about only having 8Mbps available - if that is in fact the case.

Well yes..but I'm suggesting that's pointless. Or at least the wrong attitude to take.

The only thing the CPs (and the government through BDUK) are 'guilty' of is practical financial planning. The OP can talk to people to discuss the situation and should indeed do so. Should have been doing so for a long time now. But complaining is unlikely to be the right approach as that implies taking someone to task for making a mistake.

I know your numbers are arbitrary and selected only to illustrate the point, but I do think they're exaggerated.

Pick the most rural location you can think of, and assume you can get past any wayleave and other legal issues. What is the actual cost per mile of running fibre? What is the maximum amount of money that it could cost to get a property connected? I bet it's well under £10k.

In reply to a post by ian72:

And all that complaining will likely get nowhere. As I suggested before looking at 4G or FTTPoD options may provide a potential route to getting something done rather than complaining to people that they don't like the current BT rollout plan.

Exactly. It's so common in these discussions that the have-nots fall into the trap of thinking the lack of faster broadband is personal or some kind of snub against them by the CPs (though of course they only ever mention BT). That kind of attitude is unhelpful. The have-nots are in their current situation despite the best efforts and intentions of CPs. CPs would love to have every last house, out house and hen house fibered up. Unfortunately none of them (even with government help) have the resources to do that.

I'm sure it sucks to be a have-not but when dealing with CPs the issue should be approached like a common problem. One where both sides are unhappy with the current situation but neither has yet found a solution.

First of all, I would like to establish whether the issue is correctly representing the facts.

Some line stats would be nice and also the dslchecker estimates.

When you say get past any wayleave, are you aware that getting past them can often involve an upfront and then annual payment to the person/body whose land it is?

The cost is largely dictated by the time involved, i.e. cost of labour rather than the price of fibre per metre

We had a quote for a school some years back to get fibre delivered to them - the quote was over £300K.

In reply to a post by j314:

I know your numbers are arbitrary and selected only to illustrate the point, but I do think they're exaggerated.

You should try Googling it. I didn't for my first post so now I must apologise for understating the cost. I haven't found anything current and definitely UK oriented but a rough consensus appears to be 'several tens of thousands of dollars per mile'. How that translates into UK money and UK costings I'm not sure but I vaguely recall that the cabinet itself costs about £20k so my £100k sounds like it might be enough (just) to install one cabinet in a village that's a couple of miles outside a town.

That is on the basis of digging the ground up so presumably is cheaper if there's ducting all the way to the village but I don't know how common that is. It would be interesting to see what the more knowledgeable people on this forum say but my I don't think my figures (for all that they were plucked out of thin air) are exaggerated or even particularly pessimistic.

There's an interesting costing table here if you scroll down a bit.

Rather shockingly it seems to be saying (for five miles) 7.8m for digging or 2.5m for blowing down existing ducts. I'm not sure what currency that is though. I think it's probably Dollars but sounds ridiculous. Possibly I'm just misunderstanding the table.

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Okay another article from the World Bank (2016) suggests that in developed countries it's about $100k per mile in rural areas:

"But the high costs of installing cable without �piggy-backing� on other infrastructure construction (in the advanced economies, as much as $100,000 per mile) limits profitable broadband investment primarily to densely populated areas."

Edited by Andrue (Wed 01-Nov-17 16:24:22)

I can remember the costs of putting power cables in - which is not much different. The cost for those was between £20 and £50 per metre depending on the ground with a field being the cheapest and tarmac road the most expensive as it needs to be fully reinstated afterwards.

It may be cheaper for longer runs but there are many extras including things such as permits to close roads or put traffic lights in place or arrange diversions.

Have a read of: http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php...

In reply to a post by MHC:

I can remember the costs of putting power cables in - which is not much different. The cost for those was between £20 and £50 per metre depending on the ground with a field being the cheapest and tarmac road the most expensive as it needs to be fully reinstated afterwards.

Power is somewhat different. It has to be considerably deeper in the ground than telco so is naturally more expensive per metre. The cost difference isn't trivial, especially through carriageways.