In reply to a post by ferretuk:

A point also noted by Adrian Kennard with this blog article:

http://www.revk.uk/2017/11/burning-openreach-van-eff...

A very good read and also all points have been made...

I'm actually going to have a look at this area now and find the alternative options.

OK, so straight away, all networks excluding Three have outdoor coverage available of 4G, all networks have 3G coverage with O2 actually having very good 3G coverage.

So using a 4G router and external antenna getting better speeds shouldn't be impossible.

In reply to a post by MHC:

* In the North of Scotland you will often see a red BT phone box. These are maintained to provide an emergency contact facility for the village or hamlet and a BT Technician may visit every 3 to 6 months. The cost of the visit could be £200 or more when time and travel are considered - the revenue from some of those phone boxes is often measured in pounds per year. not even tens of pounds, just pounds.

The local phone box near where I live in Kent has been disabled. No doubt because of lack of use. Perhaps BT could use the money saved towards the cost of connecting the properties in Templeton to the fibre cable which was laid through their village.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

I personally find it somewhat unpleasant that they chose to do this.

Bonfire societies burn stuff. Get over it. Of course the council has signed contracts for BDUK phase 2 with Gigaclear and Airband. Other wireless is available.

Yet what do the people demonstrably want? They want Openreach and the providers they offer at the price they want to pay.

I've heard the same story in Gigaclear areas elsewhere . Too expensive. Ultrafast has to be ultracheap to sell and for that you need the firms on the Openreach platform.

Virgin did well this year as they have been digging up the home of bonfire, Lewes, all year and didn't feature in the bonfire.

The Lewes forum tells a different story though and the council withheld permits for a time. Not because of my concern of cheapskate shallow trenched, short sighted, direct in ground unprotected tubes but the general mess they made.

I'd stick unprotected, short sighted, shallow trenched tubes on the bonfire myself but some other utility will probably damage them before I get there.

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In reply to a post by partial:

Bonfire societies burn stuff. Get over it. Of course the council has signed contracts for BDUK phase 2 with Gigaclear and Airband. Other wireless is available.

It is not clear to me that Templeton is included in these contracts. Can you demonstrate otherwise?

If the price people want to pay is way below the cost of provision, then it's up to the people to change their mind.

How many businesses deliberately trade at a loss? Even local buses now try very hard to avoid it on every under-used route, by cutting it out.

I guess the best they hope for is some of the claw back money being used to either bring new fibre into Templeton , or for OR to extend their existing FTTP into the area as it gets ever closer.

I work in Lewes 3 days a week and yes the Virgin's contractors did make a mess.

There's a cabinet just up the road from the office and I'm not sure what they were trying to do with the ducting but li looked like they were trying to link up with some ductwork that ran under the road about 10m away. The trench started off OK at the cabinet but sudden flares out to around 8 feet wide by the curb where it crosses the road.

They had most of one carriageway closed off for almost a week with no traffic control by a very busy mini roundabout to do the work.

Have you been to Templeton? and stood with a mobile phone to see what networks are available? Looking at maps on the internet is all very well but in this part of the world means very little.... this isn't a village but a hamlet with a cluster of around 20 houses and others spread around a wide area.

I believe that Openreach recently ran fibre along the B3137 from Tiverton to Nomansland and that FTTP is available to some properties along this route so its not exactly the case that there is unreasonable expectations about the the provision of faster broadband when locally other hamlets are receiving FTTP. Escpecially when villagers are given vague promises by Connecting Devon and Somerset which before the Phase 2 announcements used to quite often say that your area is due to be upgraded to superfast broadband without any premises level detail.

So it would be quite legitmate to think that your village or hamlet to be upgraded soon only to find out that the plan had changed or that the cabinets that were installed were too far away to provide superfast speeds to most people.
For instance in Oakford, Devon (not too far from Templeton) between the 2 fibre cabinets funded under BDUK phase 1 only 25% of people can now access 24+mbps speeds and phase 2 has completely ignored the 75% left. Even though the CDS stated that superfast would be available just 18 months ago....

The Connecting Devon and Somerset website shows Templeton as being excluded from current plans. The post code I used was EX16 8BL