My gut feeling is BT retail might just pay the costs, if there are challenges I and others here can link you to decent teams at BT who can look into what is and what is not possible

Faced with a complaint, they might come to an agreement of some sorts.

Edited by ukhardy07 (Tue 16-Jan-18 14:43:09)

In reply to a post by MHC:

Moles cannot be used as there are too many other services under roads - most of which are not accurately identifiable.

... or even accurately mapped. A few years back they were replacing some gas mains in a main road where I live and they marked out on the road where all the services ran. They started digging and managed to cut through an LV duct that was 4 feet from where it was supposed to be on the maps.

It�s not still the case.

I believe the market tape is only for electric, it certainly isn�t used for Openreach ducts.

The original FTTP trial in the 1980s and then the trial in 2009/10 used existing ducting.

I suppose also, whilst not an excuse, a consideration ...

there has been much talk of forced duct sharing in recent years, you can see why a company might be reticent to just stump up and provide duct here there and everywhere gratis, when there is a good chance they will be forced to let every Tom, Dick, and OLO just ram what ever they wish up there shortly after.

Exactly, and I wonder what the restoratio and compensation bill was.

In reply to a post by MHC:

Micro trenching would not be suitable for three reasons - firstly, telco cable need to be a minimum of 450mm below the finished surface, secondly, 20-40mm may be enough for one fibre bundle but in almost every case there is a requirement for several or future expansion and thus the use of 100 or 150mm ducts. Finally, there is no visibility of any other service pipes or cables running in that location and that could include power.

In which case Openreach should not be charging the end user. Either the duct is for the customer they are charging and them alone in which case the customer pays. Alternatively it is to overcome an issue that they are then going to use for multiple other users down the line in which case Openreach pay it all or at the very least the difference between using a cheaper technology,

As regards alternative technologies all the other countries have exactly the same issues as we have in the UK. There is nothing special about our roads and pavements that precludes there usage. I would also add there are a myriad of technologies to find out what is under the ground without actually digging it up.

BT don't have to provide so could refuse where costs are high.

The part I agree with you on is if these were part of BDUK rollout then there should have been something in the BDUK contracts to control additional costs to the consumer as if it is going to cost thousands then BT shouldn't get BDUK funding for it. But, I have no idea if the BDUK contracts have anything to this end.

Find someone in the street you can see (up to 2km away) who has fibre to the house. Have a line installed there and pay for it, giving the householder £50 for time and electricity. Fit a Ubiquiti Nano beam on his house and yours (about £150) and you'll have fibre speeds. My fibre line terminates 1km away from me. Two dishes painted to blend in provide a link that has not failed (I put them and the router plus BT end equipment on a UPS)