to be fair, OR is a business, but neither us; via directly or indirectly (via bduk) should be paying for OR's previous cockups.

And if others in the same street are wanting to order, then it should be flagged, and or nagged at to the ceo..

Who said this was a cockup? Not every cable laid by Openreach (or its predecessor) is ducted. When you go to rural areas, it's common in verges to find cables that were originally laid directly in earth.

The same goes with homes where the builders laid the telecoms cable.

But things change, when that copper was put it it was sufficient for the technology that existed at the time, and in many cases beyond expectations with FTTC.

>>Who said this was a cockup? Not every cable laid by Openreach (or its predecessor) is ducted. When you go to rural areas, it's common in verges to find cables that were originally laid directly in earth.

There's plenty of crazies advising and plenty of OLOs actually doing the same thing now in town. Fibre tubes buried straight in the ground unducted, very shallow and undetectable to common tracking tools. It'll end in tears.

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In reply to a post by rcoup:

This is all even more relevant for infrastructure upgrades � there's zero commercial reason for OpenReach to put any fibre outside dense city centres without govt funding, but as a country we're shooting ourselves in the foot long-term if we don't prioritise connectivity, and it's worth doing.

I suspect the problem with Openreach is that their fibre costs are to high. Gigaclear can manage it.

Fibre is much more suitable than copper for broadband in rural and some urban areas because it does not suffer from distance attenuation and cross talk problems.

In reply to a post by AndyHCZ:

Complete nonsense. If you go to any utility company and ask them to provide a new service, they will check whether the existing infrastructure can support this. If it can't and new infrastructure is needed, they will charge for it.

Then they would get the same response from me.

End of the day I am not going to spend 1000s on something which I have no ownership of, that to me is ludicrous unless I had to do it as a means to make money (business transanction).

This 4k cost, how long would the job take, how does the costs break down, all questions to be asked when determining if its efficient as can be.

Gigaclear does have a higher install fee for everyone though, starting at £100 if you DIY from the pot

Maybe thats the answer Openreach to charge more across the board

Also for new entrants the need to show a profit are often non existent as the promise is of profits in a few years time, and early investors take the risk as the pay back can be very large if a company gets acquired

Plus Gigaclear don't have to provide a wholesale service so they get to keep all the profits whereas BT has to - potentially - split them with other retailers.

They aren't making you buy their service. If you were to build a house and didn't want to pay for utilities then you are welcome to live with no electric/gas/phone/water. They don't make you take their services - but if you want them then they have to be paid for.

Cough - there is a wholesale service if I recall Exa is one option, so more business focussed but don't think it is anywhere as complex as the arrangements Openreach has to adhere to