Where you are moving in, the existing homeowner is likely to have canceled their services, which ceases the line, so indeed it now is setup as a new line, not an existing one.

Typical fees apply for this. You want the pricing of mass market with the perks of the smaller providers which doesn't really exist. When you consider BT providing you a service on average of just over £20, they are able to do it given 1) Their sheer size and 2) Willingness to take a possible loss now with a view you could be a customer for 10+ years.

You have a number of difficulties there. Things to consider that may help or complicate sorry (in no specific order as I have partaken of "refreshment" ) are:

- if you take a longish minimum term with BT it is still simple to leave. This doesn't involve completely paying off the contracted term. Ofcom forbade that years ago. You should be able to find in the various T & Cs and Legal pages what their current charges are for non-completed months;

- on "Ceasing" either BT or IDNet service completely there is likely to be a (small) "Cease" charge passed on from Openreach. I expect IDNet pass it on, BT may not;

- a top-end speed estimate of whatever it was is very likely to be conservative, and the actual is normally considerably higher. Particularly if G.INP kicks in on the line (very frequent on Huawei cabinets). See below my current sync in my sig v the estimates. I don't think the estimates take into account the considerable increase resulting from the higher sync resulting from the reduction of the sync-time noise margin from the standard 6dB to the "clean-line" 3dB.

VDSL Range A (Clean) 64.1 44.8 17.4 11.5 39.8 Available -- --
VDSL Range B (Impacted) 54.6 35 15.2 7.9 29.8 Available -- --;

- you need to factor in that BT reduced early termination charge taking account of the "joining goodies", and the time that could elapse between your getting this Aus job and leaving the country. (I don't think BT claim back/charge re the enticement goodies if you leave early but I leave that to you to check).

Moving from ADSL2+ on O2, when O2 broadband existed but I smelt the rat, I chose IDNet for their reputation, which is also influencing you. After twelve months of no problem I decided I was paying a lot extra for CS quality that I didn't need. I decided to migrate to Plusnet, and never regretted that.

However after a couple of years or so I began to worry about what would happen with Plusnet CS if I did have a problem. The "new at the time" CEO greatly reduced the priority of CS and went from a genuine market competitor to a BT counter-attacker on TalkTalk. (That CEO of Plusnet and any later ones are not on Plusnet's payroll. He/They are paid by BT and BT charge Plusnet for their services. Get the gist? Confirmed this year by the announcement of becoming just a brand-name).

In the end I opted for my current setup of Pulse8 line (very cheap and no minimum term) and AAISP. AA initially at £45pm, and reduced by them as mentioned earlier to £35.

AAISP seem to be very good on big problems. I'm less than convinced they can be bothered about minor ones. Similarly, I wasn't impressed by IDNet's response to a couple of difficulties other customers had. And some since.

Finally, given the somewhat hazy information we get about how BT Retail and BT Wholesale intereact technically, where I get the feeling there is no handover to Retail from Wholesale before data leaves (and enters) the world-wide peering systems, (all other BTW-using ISPs have a handover to their own routers), BT Retail/Business seem to have the edge on latency.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

The HG612 however is very long in the tooth in two ways. Simple age, and cheap modems degrade, and secondly it definitely sync's several Mbps lower than more modern ones.

AAISP supply (if required) the ZyXel VMG1312-B10D, which doesn't have the B10A IPv6 problem. It can be used in modem-only mode to customer routers.

Loads of faulty ones too that cause intermittent disconnections. Though hopefully by now TalkTalk got to the bottom of which ones were faulty. One useful thing was they�d always show up on Openreach�s test systems as the test heads saw the faulty router as a high resistance fault!

Ok thanks for all the info, ZyXel VMG1312-B10A is the one I will go for and stick it in bridge mode.

My cabinet is a Huawei so this should be the best one I think.

Edited by Ewok (Sat 03-Mar-18 17:50:06)