In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

Well one of my next door neighbours put in a request for pricing from Cerberus and considering I already have FTTPoD installed he was quite optimistic that he wouldn't have to pay too much as the FTTP splitter used for my service is less than 20m from his house with nice clear ducts already in place.

Wait for it....quotation came out as £21600 lol. Poor guy was gobsmacked but may get Openreach to do a survey to get this confirmed as we both doubt that £21k's of work is req'd to connect him when the fttp splitter is very close to his doorstep.

This just proves the whole thing is broken, and the quotes being given are based on some sort of random number generator.

The cost to install to him should be in line with GEA-FTTP given that there is already a splitter just outside his front door for you. It must have taken a special kind of ineptitude to miss that.

Presumably Openreach still wish to recover the actual costs of the old price structure installation.

It sounds to me as though it was the original price structure that was hugely flawed. It seems to have been based on mass take-up but even then was too expensive for that to happen.

Bar a very few SMEs I see the sales of FTTPoD being very low. What will be of benefit to Openreach I expect to be the newer connectorised systems that have been developed to reduce the non-civils in FTTP rollout, but these systems would have come along anyway.

Like G.Fast, FTTPoD has been a white elephant.

Edited by RobertoS (Fri 23-Mar-18 08:27:47)

I wonder if Openreach are using this quote generator? lol

Just got my estimate back......

Estimated Build Cost: £35,800.00 ex VAT
The build charge includes the estimate for the work and materials required to deliver the service. It also includes the connection charge.

Number of premises passed for FTTP: 11

Yeah OK then, jog on.

Interested to see how much these 'quotes' change once you pay for the proper £250 survey.

Edited by deleted (Fri 23-Mar-18 09:45:15)

I was thinking about this today.

But for those who have been previously given a relatively low price quote to suddenly jump up to huge on the new pricing scheme. This may be worth dropping a complaint to your local member of parliament to raise on your behalf. I know it likely will get nowhere but even your MP will be staggered at the prices being charged here.

There is no way Openreach can justify prices going from £1000 to £15,000, or £2000 to £20,000 or £5,000 to £39,000 plus.

The stupid thing is on the original pricing scheme out in 2014 they said it would cost £600 to install it into my property as this was the band B pricing then.

How in Zeuses butthole can they justify in only a space of 4 years the price going from £600 ex vat to £20,600 ex vat.

The whole thing screams of having the monopoly price fixing. There is a video been posted online 3 days ago about one of the directors of the FTTP install for Openreach talking about how the prices have dropped considerably due to technology upgrades now compared to how they were originally. So why £600 then > £20,600 now.

http://www.broadbandworldnews.com/video.asp?section_...

Edited by Anth (Fri 23-Mar-18 10:18:54)

On business lines BT do not have a monopoly - there are plenty of other providers out there. Also, there is nothing stopping a community going to one of the other fibre providers (eg gigaclear) and asking for a quote, maybe £40K would be enough to get someone interested. If not though then the only reason BT have a monopoly on FTTP is because no-one else wants to do it - for many premises it is as much a green field site for BT as it is for any other supplier.

But I am not talking about BT. I am talking about Openreach. They were separated off into two companies a year or so ago and this seems to be the end result of Openreach going solo. 10x the price.

This is price fixing by Openreach. They own the lines. There is nobody else. BT, Sky, TalkTalk pay openreach to lease the lines now. (I believe this at least before people start getting technical correcting me here about how Virgin Media works or something)

So you could argue when Openreach was part of BT. It was £600 to install and now that Openreach is its own company £20,600.

I know it will get nowhere. But this is the sort of thing your MP likes to try and take on board raising on your behalf. The numbers being quoted show even to an idiot something fishy going on as no way would BT have been installing FTTP on demand at a massive/huge loss to them in 2014. They obviously thought they could do it for £600 in 2014. So why the huge markup.

Edited by Anth (Fri 23-Mar-18 10:37:05)

Very well, Openreach don't have a monopoly. They are not the only people that can provide FTTP lines to businesses (or consumers). The original price was clearly under valued and would never have given Openreach or BT any reasonable return on investment. The FTTPoD before the latest changes was closer to costs. The latest prices do appear high but until someone goes ahead to full survey we don't know what would happen. Also, we have no detail as to what of that price is direct from Openreach and what is Cerberus profit (someone who has got a price from Cerberus could also get a price from another supplier to allow us to compare).

Openreach don't have to do price fixing for this product - there is absolutely no requirement for them to provide it at all. They don't have enough resources to do many installs anyway and so may have it priced high because of supply and demand. Personally if I was Openreach I would just withdraw the product.

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

I wonder if Openreach are using this quote generator? lol

This is amazing, and seemingly accurate!!

Perhaps a larger sector for 39k and a smaller one for 5k.

Didn't seem to work for me - it came up with £2K and I don't believe that is realistic