Well, at least ADSL is back up today.

Even though the speeds are poor, being without it altogether takes some getting used to.

It looks like you had a cease and provide paired order on all the lines to do a planned transfer to the new cab. This would change the equipment you were terminated on and the ISP would have to recognise the new termination.

This could also happen if the exchange equipment was being changed from ADSL to ADSL2+.

If it was the move of the copper to the new cab you are now just waiting for the fibre to be provided to the cab once they have cleared the blockage. Once this is complete and tested the AIO will go live and you will be able to order.

The move of the copper has to be agreed with all the ISPs and they would have wanted to do it even if the Electronics in the Cab were not live, as it is administratively difficult to get all ISPs to agree on a date. This move sometimes takes months to complete and at least it may have been done already for you. It is far easier where none of the customers already has VDSL, as is likely in your area, than where some people have (poor) VDSL service and need to be moved as well.

witchunt

|It will certainly be end to end VOIP over the BB (GEA or future BB service) as no baseband service will ever cost in with the present ( or likely future) returns. The technology exists today but needs to scale up and be rolled out to all (EVERY)customers on an exchange to enable the PSTN kit to be recovered. This can be difficult to do without a long lead time as there will be lots of resistance/reluctance from older people who like the existing setup and CPs who have not developed their own VOIP network yet. The latter will want plenty of time so that they can move first and pick up the profitable customers, so expect lots of resistance from the .normal players who will not want BT to have a free run at moving to VOIP.

In reply to a post by kitcat:

It looks like you had a cease and provide paired order on all the lines to do a planned transfer to the new cab. This would change the equipment you were terminated on and the ISP would have to recognise the new termination.

This could also happen if the exchange equipment was being changed from ADSL to ADSL2+.

You could be right with the latter. There has certainly been no activity at the new cab for a few days, and no voice service interruption, certainly not in the daytime anyway.

The exchange has only recently been upgraded to 21CN, according to dslchecker.bt.com, perhaps it was to do with that.

In reply to a post by sparky_paul:

Well, at least ADSL is back up today.

Even though the speeds are poor, being without it altogether takes some getting used to.

Ah, so the ISP needed to be updated of the changes then.

I know when we were on ADSL 2+ when it went down (which happened a lot) even though it was slow we did notice the impact it made when it went down for a day or two.

Paul

In reply to a post by kitcat:

|It will certainly be end to end VOIP over the BB (GEA or future BB service) as no baseband service will ever cost in with the present ( or likely future) returns.

Really?? Maybe I misread, but it sounds like you're proposing that PSTN-only users will have broadband-over-copper installed in their house, *and* a VOIP termination device, whilst continuing to pay the same low monthly rental. It's hard to see a return on that.

However if OpenReach made the VDSL2 equipment act as MSANs, they could continue to provide analogue voice service without entering any property - *and* still recover all the copper from the PCPs back to the exchange, *and* remove the voice equipment within the exchange. Same return from a much smaller investment.

The technology exists today but needs to scale up and be rolled out to all (EVERY)customers on an exchange to enable the PSTN kit to be recovered. This can be difficult to do without a long lead time as there will be lots of resistance/reluctance from older people who like the existing setup and CPs who have not developed their own VOIP network yet.

CP VOIP capability is irrelevant. Those CPs today outsource the voice service to OR / BTW via WLR. In future they could still outsource it - and indeed would gain a wider choice of VOIP providers to outsource to.

However, I can't see any point to entering every customer's property just to upgrade from analogue to broadband-over-copper plus VOIP. It will make sense only when installing fibre to every property, and you have to drill into it anyway - and if you're removing the copper tail which the baseband voice service depends on.

They won't have to 'enter' every house.

The voice service is likely to be from an ATA either within future HUBs or by a plug in device ( Like those already on the market). The customer will just plug in their phone to the 'phone socket on the ATA/Hub.

The ATA is just a piece of software controlling the Phone socket and setting up a VLAN ( 144 to 168Kb) at CBR ( Constant bit rate) across the network. VOIP call servers are cheap.

Using an MSAN is expensive compared to this which is why BT stopped rolling out the Voice 21CN in 2009. Just the MSAN management is expensive and you would need combination cards to handle the Voice and BB which would reduce the capacity and increase the cost. The existing cards are BB only.

CP voice capacity is not irrelevant, they may still be able to buy wholesale from BT All the full LLU suppliers have their own voice supply (4.4m WLR and 5.53m full LLU @ April 2018)

Upgrade will be over time with the only BT led part being those PSTN only customers where they will have to provide the BB service and the Hub, The BB only being active for the Voice VLAN. ( Could be over the oldest DSL type as only need less than 500kb).

BT would also be looking to come out of the regulatory straightjacket of the PSTN world which costs a lot on the management side.

This type of product is already the only choice at FTTP only sites which will be all new builds well before this date, I can foresee BT not providing copper service to new multi dwelling developments from around 2020/22 and am surprised people cannot see this coming.

ADSL sync speed has just plummeted to 160kbps down, 256k up. Are they likely to be working on this stuff over bank holiday weekends?

They Often have people working weekends and bank hols

Well, I just got back in and the ADSL is still up the spout.

Bank holiday weekend, kids not happy.