In reply to a post by candlerb:

Amvia is indeed a reseller of Cerberus.

Just seen this article on Amvia's website wrt FTTPoD build costs under the new pricing.

The graph FTTP Build Costs Vs Distance Of Build (about 1/3 of the way down) is very intriguing. In some cases it appears the build costs bear no correlation to the distance from premises to Aggregation node. For example a property 8032m away from Agg node has been quoted less than 10k, yet a property 1895 metres away from AN has been quoted 39k. I guess only the Openreach Planners can provide some logic to this pricing...

This really is nuts. I can't think of any way to justify the disparity in costs, unless they have detailed information on the condition of every duct in the country.

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

In reply to a post by candlerb:

Amvia is indeed a reseller of Cerberus.

Just seen this article on Amvia's website wrt FTTPoD build costs under the new pricing.

The graph FTTP Build Costs Vs Distance Of Build (about 1/3 of the way down) is very intriguing. In some cases it appears the build costs bear no correlation to the distance from premises to Aggregation node. For example a property 8032m away from Agg node has been quoted less than 10k, yet a property 1895 metres away from AN has been quoted 39k. I guess only the Openreach Planners can provide some logic to this pricing...

Yet the OR CEO constantly talks in the press about Openreach wanting to increase their FTTP footprint?

Make it reasonable and people will part with their money to help you expand your network.

I had an open complaint so i've send this article to my case handler.

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

In reply to a post by candlerb:

Amvia is indeed a reseller of Cerberus.

Just seen this article on Amvia's website wrt FTTPoD build costs under the new pricing.

The graph FTTP Build Costs Vs Distance Of Build (about 1/3 of the way down) is very intriguing. In some cases it appears the build costs bear no correlation to the distance from premises to Aggregation node. For example a property 8032m away from Agg node has been quoted less than 10k, yet a property 1895 metres away from AN has been quoted 39k. I guess only the Openreach Planners can provide some logic to this pricing...

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

In reply to a post by candlerb:

Amvia is indeed a reseller of Cerberus.

Just seen this article on Amvia's website wrt FTTPoD build costs under the new pricing.

The graph FTTP Build Costs Vs Distance Of Build

Re-reading the article I'm just wondering where the author got the build distances from? From Openreach or by his own calculations by assuming the agg node is near to a FTTC cabinet, as he wrongly implies? Because he doesn't state clearly the source of the build distances, only

In reference to www.amvia.co.uk/blog/fttp-on-demand-costs-installation:

To gain a better understanding of the build costs quoted by Openreach, we analysed just how far Openreach would have to build to deliver the service (in metres).

and earlier

In reference to www.amvia.co.uk/blog/fttp-on-demand-costs-installation:

high installation fees (related to the distance between the fibre connection - near the fibre street cabinet - and the premises).

Mmmmmmm........

Edited by deleted (Sat 26-May-18 17:31:03)

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

Re-reading the article I'm just wondering where the author got the build distances from? From Openreach or by his own calculations by assuming the agg node is near to a FTTC cabinet, as he wrongly implies?

It's exactly that. I know because I'm one of the people covered; my aggregation node is 1500-2000m away (band G under old scheme) but the cabinet is much closer.

but is it100m in existing duct with spare fibre or 100m under carriageway with no duct present?

In reply to a post by jdigz7:

Yet the OR CEO constantly talks in the press about Openreach wanting to increase their FTTP footprint?

Make it reasonable and people will part with their money to help you expand your network.

I had an open complaint so i've send this article to my case handler.

Might raise a complaint with Ferrari over the price of their cars.

Also a very big difference in rolling out to areas of a town, than rolling out to a single DP on a street.

The first has potential for lots of custom, the later is more limited.

Also a lot of the native FTTP roll-out in cities is to date new build or Exchange Only line areas

On demand is like requesting an optional extra on a car, no way does it cost the sum of money asked for the extra, but because it is something not done in the usual day to day operation of the production line there are extra costs involved.

A new housing development near me went live with native FTTP recently. It's around 4km from the exchange via the route of BT's existing ducts. (It may just be coincidence, but last year openreach were doing copper cable recovery in some of the old ducts along the route.)

If someone along the route requests FTTPoD, can openreach connect into the existing FTTP infrastructure with a relatively short fibre run, or would they still quote based on running another fibre back to the aggregation node?

Or in other words, how far apart are the various connectors in an FTTP run and how likely are openreach to take this into account in a desk survey?

The PON for the new estate will have been run from the aggegration node, and so the same for a FoD order and they may not even be on the same node.

So just because someone a few miles away has FTTP does not reduce your quote.

The core runs are usually spliced so no connector involved and splicing a FoD PON in in as cheap as possible manner may complicate things at a later date, i.e. locations for where runs goto is based on the long term plan that eventually it will be full fibre everywhere.