In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

So just because someone a few miles away has FTTP does not reduce your quote.

I'm not trying to be smart, but what it the likely cost scenario if the houses both sides of you have FTTP available and you only have FTTPoD? Phone lines of the houses either side fed from the same pole even.

A near neighbour has this bizarre scenario from a BDUK project and although they could get full speed from their FTTC cabinet, it is waitlisted until (current schedule) March 2019 as full so only ~2Mbit ADSL available to them at present.

Just wondering if FTTPoD might be an option for them...

How come those who got native FTTP could not get full FTTC?

FTTP is rolled out so that usually size of manifolds is scaled to the number of premises that can order, so an outside chance there may be a spare manifold port but would have expected in that case for native FTTP to be available (you can have FTTC and native FTTP available to you)

As for likely cost only way to know is to order. It might be £1000, it might be £10,000 without access to records and precisely what has and has not already been built in the area impossible to say.

Have seen the scenario you suggest, but usually its a set of new homes in an existing area, rather than pre-existing but there are some Welsh towns where boundaries of different cabinets and deployment types mean that this is possible.

Very unusual for any project to provide FTTP to neighbours either side but not to the one in the middle. Either it is a database mistake or there was some very significant issue stopping them being able to provide fibre to the middle house - and if there was a significant issue then that could mean large excess construction costs. Really you would need to understand why they weren't provided FTTP at the same time as the others - or did the others for some odd reason have Exchange Only lines (maybe they were built earlier and the middle house built later so connected to a cabinet).

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

In reply to a post by jdigz7:

Yet the OR CEO constantly talks in the press about Openreach wanting to increase their FTTP footprint?

Make it reasonable and people will part with their money to help you expand your network.

I had an open complaint so i've send this article to my case handler.

Might raise a complaint with Ferrari over the price of their cars.

Perhaps Ferrari would lower their prices if you never actually owned the car, but could just use it, with minimal maintenance costs.

I think it's called a lease - and it doesn't work out any cheaper really as one way or another the same amount is paid to the manufacturer.

But if you could lease a Ferrari for 90+ years, it would be quite cheap, especially if other people could also pay to drive it, further lowering the cost.

FoD is the consumer paying up front to build out the infrastructure that the provider needs to grow its business, which is ridiculous really. The provider should invest in its infrastructure, and recoup those costs (and profits) over time.

It's like one person with a disease footing the billions required for the R&D to develop a drug to cure it, and then the pharma company being able to sell it, having paid nothing to develop it.

As you can see, most analogies don't fit very well.

The first people to use a new drug will tend to pay a much higher amount for it than those that use it some years later. The company will try and get payback on the R&D as soon as possible.

If an individual decided they wanted a drug for something then they potentially would pay for all the R&D to develop it (and then potentially sell it on later). However, if the drug company choose to make a drug then they can get the return over a longer period.

That doesn't seem much different to what is happening with Opernreach and FTTPoD and FTTP.

The charge for FTTPoD is because BT don't currently plan to rollout to those places and therefore if someone wants it they have to pay the cost to deliver it.

As I have said on the other topic. I have now found out from the BT open reach surveyor exactly where my aggregation node is.

It is just around the corner from me. And it is definitely less than 400m away as I was in band B.

The two streets are both main roads. So no side streets in play here, so the ducting in both would be pretty substantial and pretty well maintained according to what I have read about issues on ducting.

Two straight lines. Simple L direction along two main roads, with good ducting and less than 400m.

And for this BT now want just under £30,000 after VAT to install this when the original price 4 months ago was £2500 after VAT.

That in my eyes is clear evidence of rip off. 400m of Fibre cable costs at retail £800 from the store. And BT will be getting it for way less than that. And what much more is there other than labour and markup to make it £30,000

In reply to a post by Anth:

And what much more is there other than labour and markup to make it £30,000

Blocked ducts maybe? They can cost £1000s to put right.....

"Blocked ducts maybe? They can cost £1000s to put right..... "

From what I read, not on main road, this is only an issue on side streets. And how would the desktop survey know my ducts are blocked in advance.....