In reply to a post by Swac3:

Number of premises passed for FTTP: 1

Is that additional to my own ? or just mine

I think it's just yours. My initial quote had 14 properties passed but after survey went down to 3 properties passed. I asked which ones they were, and I was told it was mine plus two others; oddly, it was the immediate neighbour on one side, and the next-door-neighbour-but-one on the other side.

"Properties passed" doesn't mean which ones the fibre goes past. It means "properties to which FTTP service will be made available" - that is, properties sharing the same fibre distribution point. For example, if you are served by a pole, it would likely be other properties on the same pole.

If it worked like that then they would be activating all those 400+ properties between me and the Agg Node and giving me a discounts on every single 1 of them. They are all between me and the cabinet and follow my line exactly as I pass them. The Agg Node is then even further still up the road beyond my cabinet to the next.

However OpenReach won't be installing DP's all the way along the route, only at your property. Any properties served by DP will be activated for fibre, but only those properties.

There's no difference between all the houses spread along your road and the hundreds between me and my Agg Node. None of them will benefit from your installation unless served by the same DP.

Thanks for the input, john83/candlerb
I suppose i assumed they might have built with more of an eye to future expansion/orders.

So, ok, not knowing where the desktop survey based the 'passed' from specifically But it being 1 property i can guess which pole they would be looking at being the DP.

Even tracking back about 100m that would only add 1 house directly, but would seem a much better long term position for them to split off for future expansion. still not my problem.

Shame as it really does narrow my options of getting anyone else interested.

Edited by Swac3 (Thu 19-Jul-18 22:53:04)

I wouldn't recommend FTTPod for getting others involved in your situation.
I'd recommend trying the CFP route.
https://communityfibre.openreach.co.uk/

Just wondered if anyone else was unable to get even an initial desktop quote? I tried with Cerberus but got the following response

It would appear that BT were unable to deliver an estimated build charge for your address
This essentially means that their records are not good enough to be able to determine any costs using a desktop survey

We should have sent you an email ( it may be in your junk/spam folder)

It would still be possible to pay the £250.00 survey charge and get an actual site survey carried out by BT- this would be the only way to get a confirmed build cost, however given BT were unable to provide this would lead to a conclusion that installation charges would be quite high and certainly several £000's


I'm just wondering what BT/Openreach don't know about there own infrastructure that would lead to such an answer.

In reply to a post by jamescompton:

I'm just wondering what BT/Openreach don't know about there own infrastructure that would lead to such an answer.

Doesn't mean it hasn't been tried, just that it exceeds any reliable measure.

If the tool calculates something which would otherwise be above £35k it gives up as it's already made quite a lot of worst-case assumptions at that point.

Your only real option at this stage would be to place an order and get a survey done, or look at leased line options at a dedicated fibre node may well be nearer than the scarce NGA nodes.

nope not the same as leasehold ronski

with leasehold you own for a fixed period of time, with FTTPoD you never own it.

this makes "some" sense at least to me and it is something I would accept.

In reply to a post by ian72:

Or it's a bit like paying to get electricity lines, water pipes and gas pipes routed to a new build house.

Precisely. I needed to have 3-phase installed at our farm. We already had single phase, but I had to pay handsomely to have the infrastructure (or what was deemed to be my share of) principally the pole top transformer upgraded and new feeder cable installed into my meter box. I�ll never own that infrastructure or lease it for that matter.

Anyhow we are used to fairly outrageous infrastructure costs, especially when we know how much it really costs to dig a trench and lay some duct.

It�s just too bad there�s no such concept as contestible and non-contesible work when it comes to laying in fibre as there is with electric supply

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

I don't think build costs are transferable between CPs for obvious reasons. However I don't see why you can't have multiple quotes. Probably worth giving FluidOne a call and if they can confirm 100% they don't have a surcharge for your exchange area then you could potentially save > £800 pa even if you were to lose the £250 survey fee by cancelling your Cerberus order. I think Fluidone's monthly service charges are ~ £100 but you would need to check with them.

Called them, but as we are considered "Off Net" in FluidOne speak, the monthly FTTPoD service charges are way more than Cerberus, even taking into account the Market A surcharge that Cerberus are proposing (at this point in time).