Right, but this FTTP overbuild will still require wayleave consent from building owners/managers. This is why I'm highly sceptical about the UK jumping to 50% FTTP by 2025 from current 4%

About 50% of the population live in MDUs I think. The majority of the rest live in council adopted roads and thoroughfares so wayleaves are less of an issue. Now that a number of local authorities are openly inviting FTtP operators into their boroughs, Southwark was a recent one in London, the opportunity for large scale FTTP is increasing rapidly. Your problem seems to be with a private landlord/management company. The simple answer for FTTP operators here is just to move on to another site who are more willing to cooperate and leave the difficult sites until the residents demand the management deal with it. There are plenty of opportunities out there and the targets are not dependent on one small exchange area.

Is it really approx 50% living in MDU�s ? That seems somewhat high to me.

Then there�s older style places where the current copper DP�s are on external walls and the lead ins run from there.

I agree the OP�s issue lies firmly at the feet of the flats owners.

From reading through your posts it sounds to me that if OpenReach rolled out FTTP to your area then you would end up being stuck with ADSL anyway.

If your building management company refuse wayleaves for Hyperoptic as they have "more important issues like cladding" then those issues don't just disappear because it's OpenReach installing the fibre.

At least with FTTC you don't need to worry about any of that.
How frustrated would you be if they did roll out FTTP and skipped your building?

Old figures from 2008

"In 2008 there were around 22.4 million dwellings in England of which around four-fifths (81.5
per cent) were houses or bungalows and 19 per cent were flats or maisonettes"
linky

https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBrie...
"At the end of 2016, around 65% of UK households were owner-occupiers, 17% were renting from a private landlord and 18% were renting from a social landlord. Social renting has declined since 1996, while private renting has increased. The rate of owner-occupation is also slightly lower than it was ten years ago."

So while areas like London has seen a surge in new build apartments and many of these have FTTP by default now, I doubt it has skewed to be anything like the 50% of the poster.

Living in central London it is easy to miss the great sprawl of suburban streets that actually make up the bulk of the property in Greater London

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

From reading through your posts it sounds to me that if OpenReach rolled out FTTP to your area then you would end up being stuck with ADSL anyway.

If your building management company refuse wayleaves for Hyperoptic as they have "more important issues like cladding" then those issues don't just disappear because it's OpenReach installing the fibre.

At least with FTTC you don't need to worry about any of that.
How frustrated would you be if they did roll out FTTP and skipped your building?

That's exactly right. The building management team will most probably refuse wayleave for BT OR as well if it was FTTP. Last years Grenfell Tower fire was a curse because now the government are in talks about offering a safer cladding replacement such as A1/A2 that is safer.

Since existing cladding is not fully compliant with fire safety regulation tests. Anyway, this has come in the way of obstructing any talks on Fibre because every time I do speak about that the Estate Manager says they still need to sort out cladding fire safety issues first. They already installed sprinklers and even fire and smoke alarms to each flat in the building.

Now since I am still awaiting for that cladding to be replaced as there's ongoing fire wardens patrolling the building 24/7, the authority are not in a position to listen anything about Fibre at this stage as it is also not a legal obligation. Nor does the authority have any pecuniary interest in making the agreement happen.

At least I'll be getting FTTC and indeed that is better than nothing. It is definitely frustrating to see that FTTP is not happening. Even BT OR checker once showed that it was on a plan to be upgraded with FTTP only for it to downgrade back to FTTC. I mean I also took the initiative more than 3 years ago to convince 29 residents to register their interest for Hyperoptic as required in the website and then all the hard work went to waste because the final stage was wayleave consent. I printed 30 or so pages from my printer to pass on to the residents to direct them to the register interest link.

If I knew that after all that work an agreement wasn't going to be made, I wouldn't have put this effort. That's another thing I hate about Hyperoptics policy. They want that certain number of residents to all register their interest first and then they go on to request wayleave from the building managers. Imho Hyperoptic should first try and negotiate an agreement rather than leaving it to the last.

I was going to get 1 year free 1Gbps as a Hyperoptic Champion should an agreement have been made and I find that a little frustrating that now I won't have that opportunity. Maybe just one day it may happen if the technical service manager either gets fed-up or replaced with a more open minded personality who would do it without me having to nag every once in a while. Though I have to admit it is my fault that I haven't given enough pressure last 3 years.

In reply to a post by BLaZiNgSPEED:

The building management team will most probably refuse wayleave for BT OR as well if it was FTTP.

One day, in maybe 15-20 years, OpenReach are going to turn up and say: "Hello, we're here to turn off our copper network and replace it with fibre". On that day, do you think the building management company will refuse access, and tell all their tenants that they will lose their phone and Internet service?

Maybe the people you've talked to at the management company don't realise that Hyperoptic aren't asking them to *pay* anything, or indeed *do* anything, other than give them permission to install something which increases the value of the building. If it doesn't actually increase the level of rent they can charge, at very least it will make the building more attractive to the sort of professional tenants they want to have.

However, complaining about it here won't help. I'd suggest you get as many other tenants on your side as you can, and politely arrange meetings with the right people, explain face-to-face. The management company works for you, not vice versa. If necessary, raise it directly with the property owner (i.e. whoever you have your lease with).

In reply to a post by BLaZiNgSPEED:

Even BT OR checker once showed that it was on a plan to be upgraded with FTTP only for it to downgrade back to FTTC.

That suggests Openreach did originally plan FTTP for your building but when they approached your building management co for their permission they were told to sod off. So Openreach may have decided to 'downgrade' your building to FTTC whilst giving FTTP to others in your area where permissions were not an issue. You know who's to blame for potentially turning down FTTP for you....its not Openreach, TBB, MrSaffron or your pet budgie

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

In reply to a post by BLaZiNgSPEED:

Even BT OR checker once showed that it was on a plan to be upgraded with FTTP only for it to downgrade back to FTTC.

That suggests Openreach did originally plan FTTP for your building but when they approached your building management co for their permission they were told to sod off. So Openreach may have decided to 'downgrade' your building to FTTC whilst giving FTTP to others in your area where permissions were not an issue. You know who's to blame for potentially turning down FTTP for you....its not Openreach, TBB, MrSaffron or your pet budgie

That's the impression that I also had! But paradoxically it appears that I am the only one around in my area with a Bishopsgate Exchange EO Line who is getting an FTTC upgrade!

I'm seeing several postcodes around my area that are connected with Bishopsgate Exchange on EO Lines. For 4 months these postcodes including my own said "Your area is currently in our plans to be upgraded with Fibre to the Premises (FTTP)" hence why the OP even opened this thread to ask the similar question back in May who also coincidentally appears to live in a similar area as me connected to Bishopsgate.

Those very same postcodes except my own have now been downgraded back to "We're working with government and industry to explore ways to bring Superfast fibre to as many people as possible but don't have a plan for your area yet."

And here's an example of the building I am seeing that isn't faraway from mine. Brody House, LONDON, E1 7LQ checker shows Exploring Solutions instead of plan for FTTP. But Hyperoptic shows "Great news, Hyperoptic will soon be live in your building!"

So I'm not quite sure if Openreach did try to contact the relevant authorities for that building. Because if they were happy to grant permission to Hyperoptic then I would've expected the same authority to happily grant permission to BT Openreach for FTTP as well.

You are not unique, stop thinking that.

Bishopsgate cabinet 23 a new one in the last few days serving some previously EO lines, so now 20 VDSL2 cabinets on the exchange

If a building has gone hyperoptic they may refuse Openreach permission for an FTTP upgrade, some do, some don't.

Your situation is this, until your building management wake up to full fibre you are stuck with services delivered over part copper. It is change them or sell and move to a building with full fibre in it already. Of course you may have trouble selling if broadband service is bad.

So far my openreach checker hasn't updated. Slightly annoying but what can you do!