In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

The short answer is, no.

If provided, the new fibre DP is a separate entity. So will sit alongside the existing copper DP, and only shares a geographic location.

Customers will not be automatically upgraded to FTTP, they will have to order a service from a service provider when they wish to do so.

Something just occurred to me. Imagine someone is on VDSL2 and are getting 60Mb (Openreach up to 80Mbps) max attainable. If Openreach then installs FTTP I�m not sure what would happen if the customer then wants 80Mbps from another provider would it automatically upgrade them to FTTP or would it leave them on the copper?

Fit the FVA front plate.....

those CP�s who choose not to offer service over Openreach FTTP can use the the copper.

Openreach will install what the broadband provider orders, so providers will need to order a GEA-FTTP service

So no automatic upgrades

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

Fit the FVA front plate.....

those CP�s who choose not to offer service over Openreach FTTP can use the the copper.

Sure, but that�s not quite what I mean. Neither is what Andrew said either but he�s right of course.

I�ll use BT as an example. Say if a customer has BT Infinity 2 over copper (Openreach�s up to 80Mb VDSL service), but they only sync at 60Mb. Then Openreach make FTTP available to that house (and to make things easy), off the same pole.

That customer may then want their Infinity 2 to be delivered over FTTP instead as they�d gain an extra 20Mb. It�s the same price for the customer, but how would they transfer over to it with BT?

Say if they want to switch to Zen, rather than stay with BT. Would Zen just take over the VDSL2 service or would they provide service over FTTP? Is there a financial incentive for Zen to just leave that customer on VDSL?

This is where it becomes complicated when you offer the same products over two different technologies.

Good question ...

I suppose the answer can only be supplied by the CP�s.

You�d like to hope the CP would offer it as and when it became available, wishing to provide the best service possible for their punters.

(but we are both too long in the tooth at this to linger too long in la-la land)

In reply to a post by Icaras:

This is where it becomes complicated when you offer the same products over two different technologies.

Not necessarily. As someone who has both a copper & fibre feed, it seems BT Retail's and Zen's ordering systems automatically favour FTTP over FTTC if i attempt to order any service from 40 Mbps to 330 Mbps on their website. I'm guessing technically it's possible to order a FTTC service from BT or Zen but this would probably require an order over the phone and talking to someone who understands the difference between the 2 technologies - more chance of that happening with Zen.

Obviously no such issues ordering a FTTC service with Talktalk/Sky/Vodafone as they don't offer FTTP over the Openreach network.

There is a gotcha in this, with the recent Ofcom price changes if FTTP is overlapping a VDSL2 area then the FTTP is slightly more expensive