You'd think with "Fibre First" if there was a community that needed 2xDPs and they were bringing in fibre and installing one, they'd do both (at their cost for the 2nd) if it was just one extra CBT needed and the costs per property ended up below a certain threshold. But who knows how well their processes and common sense approach has developed.

Even if they don't install a 2nd DP now and it is needed for some properties, whilst they wouldnt get native FTTP, their FTTPoD charge is likely to be significantly less given the main fibre is already routed and the splitter installed locally.... depending on local geography, cable runs and so on. Wheher they would know that and ever go to the lengths to order FTTPoD is another thing.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

The item you linked to in the photo is a CBT (connectorised block terminal) from this the connectorised fibre lead ins are run, (normally to a max length of 150m)

The tails from the CBT�s will run back to a node, either a DP node, or straight to the splitter.

Thank you - that'd explain why they put it a couple of poles away from me, then, as it's effectively in the middle of the length of the road (which is only 130m in length). In that case they really have enabled most of the street.

The neighbour over the road from me is very interested in getting FTTP, now he knows it's coming. He still thinks it'd cost thousands, though, and thus be out of reach for him, based on what the engineer was saying. Sounds like he - and the others - are in for a nice surprise in a few weeks!

Looking to get a quote myself - what providers are you all contacting for a quote as I didn't think this was direct with BT? Also would it be worth adding a rough distance to the node per users quote to see how the quotes relate to the run lengths?

In reply to a post by shabbaranks:

Looking to get a quote myself - what providers are you all contacting for a quote as I didn't think this was direct with BT?

The service providers I know that offer FTTPoD currently are Cerberus and FluidOne, plus their second-tier resellers (e.g. Amvia resell Cerberus). Cerberus quote page is here: https://www.cerberusnetworks.co.uk/connectivity-broa...

There was some talk of BT (business or retail) launching an FTTPoD service at some point. This might be related to OpenReach's planned increased in FTTPoD delivery capacity from 20 to 100 installs per month, nationwide, from April next year.

In reply to a post by shabbaranks:

Also would it be worth adding a rough distance to the node per users quote to see how the quotes relate to the run lengths?

Not really. The most relevant factor to cost is the distance to the Fibre Aggregation Node, but the locations of these are not published - even the service providers can't find out where they are. You might be able to find out informally if you talk nicely to the engineer doing your survey or installation.

People who got quotes on the old FTTPoD system, before Feb 2018, got a "band" indication of the rough distance to the fibre aggregation node - but you don't get that any more.

You can find out the location of the Distribution Point which serves your property, but that's normally somewhere right outside. The run from the DP to your property is installed when you activate FTTP, for a flat charge to the service provider.

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

They very much don't need to pay.
Your considerable chunk of cash spent will benefit some (if not all) of your neighbours.

Seems a bit harsh. Might be nice if you got a credit back if any1 else signs up in the next year on the cable you 'paid' for.

An allowance is made in the quote and final price for those available to order FTTP at normal prices

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

An allowance is made in the quote and final price for those available to order FTTP at normal prices

If you mean the properties passed then I know. I was thinking more on the takeup (ORs passed allowance must be pretty conservative). Rather as with BDUK you get clawback! If you're whole street signed up after your FTTPoD!

Edited by deleted (Thu 30-Aug-18 10:57:21)

With BDUK they pay for lines "passed" and get money back if a higher percentage of people than predicted take up service.

With FTTPoD you get a discount for lines "passed" on the assumption that some will take up service.

So BDUK are paying for all lines. You are paying for yours and getting a discount because they might make money out of others. The FTTPoD model is generally much simpler to administer and moves the risk/reward to BT whereas with BDUK the risk/reward is with the Local Authority.

Another one to add to the mix, possibly confirming that Openreach use a random number generator for the initial estimates.

Estimated Build Cost: £34,000.00 ex VAT

The confirmed build charge is £2,216.05 + VAT. This includes the reduction for the survey charge and a £700.00 deduction for your FTTPoD order.

We were confident we have a node next to our building which is why we went ahead with the survey.No civils involved as we have a duct for our copper.

Phil

In reply to a post by LeeEng:

Another one to add to the mix, possibly confirming that Openreach use a random number generator for the initial estimates.

Early on I assumed those silly numbers were as much a demand suppressor when they didn't have the engineers to do the work but now they seem to be moving to a wider FTTP rollout that ought to change...doesn't mean it will of course.