Yeah I am aware of the standard GPON is 2.5Gbits, I was only going by what BTOR told me, they were at my exchange for a week or two a little while back changing hardware, they said it was 10G-PON and when BT start selling faster speeds we are all ready for it.

And when I was asked what ONT I had, I was told I was lucky due to I would be able to get 4 x 1Gbit (once available) down one fibre cable to my current ONT.

Not sure why you would even want more than 1 1Gbit connection if or when BT start to sell one.

The actual bandwidth the entire ONT can handle over that single fibre cable I have no clue, I was never given and booklets for the ONT, I was for the BBU.
But if the ONT only supports the standard GPON then 4 lots of 1GBit Services would be an issue, so maybe that was why they moved over to a one ports ONT.

Paul

My ISP (FluidOne) are apparently selling the newer 1000/220 Mbps FTTP tier (checker shows this as available for my address). I've asked them for a quote as I could do with the higher upload, they said I may be able to upgrade my existing 330 Mbps FoD line to the 1 Gig service even though I've still got 1.5 years left on my min term. However I have my doubts, and will probably require a second FTTP line.

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Yeah, BTOR told me the connection I have is all ready, just need to wait for the two new faster services (500:165 and 1000:220) to be available by BT.

Yeah, 330 is fine for us here, but a faster up speed than 50 would be nice.

But "maybe" (wink) when the two new above speeds become available they will increase the other two up speeds more.

I am still wondering what the prices for the two new speeds would be. But whatever price they charge will prob be out of our current price budget, but I will see when that time come.

Paul

In reply to a post by caffn8me:

Copper ports currently go faster than the optical port on Openreach services in many places.

There is a maximum service speed of 330Mbps down and 50Mbps up on the site I currently have Openreach WBC FTTP at. This has multiple VPN connections to remote sites. At the moment, some of these have ADSL so we're not maxing out on data transfers but when remote sites do catch up we'll want faster than 50Mbps up and 330Mbps down. That's where having a multiport ONT comes in handy.

So, yes, it's mostly for speed in my case.

There are also issues of space. This is only part way through the installation of everything on site. It's a lot more crowded than that now.

I had forgotten about how asymmetric the connection speeds were (which is rather embarrassing considering how often I moan about it). Wanting to use a multi port ONT for better speed makes sense to me, for some reason I was thinking that there was a gigabit symmetrical (Openreach) FTTP option (D'oh).

In reply to a post by PaulKirby:

I know my Exchange is "suppose" to be using 10GPON (According to BTOR) which they upgraded before the checker was updated and now says our connection now an handle 1000:220 and when enquiring about that I was told by BTOR they are now using 10GPON between our ONT and the exchange.

But TBH I didn't think the 4 Port ONT could handle 10Gbit, maybe it can, maybe it cant, I just don't know.

The existing ONTs almost certainly won't do 10GPON.

However, 10GPON and regular GPON are designed to run side-by-side on the same fibre - they are on different wavelengths, ships that pass in the night. This means OR can enable 10GPON for the big customers, and leave regular GPON running for everyone else on the same splitter, so they don't have to replace everyone's existing ONT.

I expect the reason the 10G-based services have such a high installation charge is to recover the cost of swapping to a 10G-capable ONT, as well as 10GPON upgrades to the OLT.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

In reply to a post by PaulKirby:

I know my Exchange is "suppose" to be using 10GPON (According to BTOR) which they upgraded before the checker was updated and now says our connection now an handle 1000:220 and when enquiring about that I was told by BTOR they are now using 10GPON between our ONT and the exchange.

But TBH I didn't think the 4 Port ONT could handle 10Gbit, maybe it can, maybe it cant, I just don't know.

The existing ONTs almost certainly won't do 10GPON.

That makes sense, I did have a feeling it wouldn't.

It was where they updated all the hardware along with installing more cables at our exchange resulting in all us loosing connection + phone (FVA) for a short time and once back up I noticed that I had lower latency (i.e. dropped by half) and now have my speed 24/7 along with the BTW site then saying the faster speeds.

I spoke to BT who had no clue of any work, so I spoke to BTWholesale who could see work was being done and said to speak to BTOR, so I did and they actually mentioned they have upgraded the all the hardware at the exchange to use 10G-PON and a reset / interruption in the connection was required so that they could move everyone over to it, so maybe the new hardware is switchable remotely between GPON and 10GPON, which makes sense to me.

Either way I am very happy what ever they did due to my connection is now a lot better now

In reply to a post by candlerb:

However, 10GPON and regular GPON are designed to run side-by-side on the same fibre - they are on different wavelengths, ships that pass in the night. This means OR can enable 10GPON for the big customers, and leave regular GPON running for everyone else on the same splitter, so they don't have to replace everyone's existing ONT.

Yeah, I just this moment did a quick search.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

I expect the reason the 10G-based services have such a high installation charge is to recover the cost of swapping to a 10G-capable ONT, as well as 10GPON upgrades to the OLT.

The thing is BTOR says all our hardware at our exchange have all been upgraded to that already, so not sure how they would recover that, maybe once those new faster services start the cost will be in with that.

But maybe the information they told me was wrong.

Paul

For XGPON you get given an XGPON compatible ONT

So while the exchange may be ready, fully expect new ONT to be sent out to those buying the Gigabit service i.e. the £500 setup exists for a reason.

You need to do a reality check, the wholesale prices for the new XGPON services i.e. 500 and 1000 Mbps are already public

What an ISP will charge depends on how contended they make the service.

In reply to a post by F9B54DA3BB3C:

I had forgotten about how asymmetric the connection speeds were (which is rather embarrassing considering how often I moan about it). Wanting to use a multi port ONT for better speed makes sense to me, for some reason I was thinking that there was a gigabit symmetrical (Openreach) FTTP option (D'oh).

This particular site is likely to get FTTP from Hyperoptic some time. It's in scope and all the surveys have been done. That will give symmetrical connectivity via their own fibre. It's a relatively new build so running cables through risers is pretty straightforward. In the interim, if it was felt essential to have a backup, I'd go for FTTC with a different ISP as that's available too.

My biggest annoyance at home is the slow upload speed. I should soon be able to upgrade as my cabinet now has G.Fast, although it's not taking orders yet, and Community Fibre will be coming soon with symmetrical FTTP up to 10Gbps.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

For XGPON you get given an XGPON compatible ONT

So while the exchange may be ready, fully expect new ONT to be sent out to those buying the Gigabit service i.e. the £500 setup exists for a reason.

Yeah that's fine and I fully understand that, not know my ONT Specs didn't help much either.

Paul