Determining Factors

Can anyone explain what the deciding factors are that determines if a particular premise is able to order FTTP?

We have a small group of 35 houses that failed rather miserably to achieve a Community Fibre Scheme due to the high cost. One of the lucky individuals however is due to receive FTTP as part of BDUK funding.

The individual premise is actually from cabinet 4 whereas all other houses are from cabinet 8 which takes a much longer route before looping round. The house next door to the single premise is only 80m away and all the houses that wanted to take part in the CFP are within 450m of it too (distance measured along the poles NOT crow flies).

So after everything has been implemented as part of BDUK what would determine if the house next door was able to place an FTTP order? Would it be excluded due to it being a different cabinet (despite that not being necessary with FTTP)? Is it based on distance to other FTTP infrastructure? How do they determine?

It's worth noting that if we had of succeeded in our CFP the cabling would have come the exact same route to the individual house and then on to the rest of us. In effect we would have paid for the cost of the install that BDUK were going to cover.

It's also worth pointing out that no additional poles would need to be installed for the 35 premises now. This is based on the existing copper installation and the fact new poles were installed after the CFP quote for a fibre leased line to a local prison, also now effectively covering that part of the cost for the BDUK work.

Our quote was quite high due to needing lots of new infrastructure, however since then these new poles have been installed for the fibre leased line. Unfortunately Openreach don't seem to want to re-evaluate the CFP quote despite all the new poles now being in situ and with the knowledge that BDUK is covering the rest of the cost.

Thanks
Matt

All depends on there the manifold for this 1 property is located, i.e. without the details of the actual location and time spent on streetview almost impossible to say anything beyond...

How many other premises are getting FTTP in the cab 4 area via the BDUK project?
The BDUK projects work towards cost and coverage targets, this can result in non contiguous areas of coverage, and some have extra funding for business addresses.

80m is a fairly big gap, and probably exceeds the standard lengths they'd use for a drop fibre. In cities gaps of 3 or 4 metres exist between premises that can and cannot get FTTP.

There is a gap of 370m (pole distance) from the individual property to the other group of houses receiving it. Those premises are closer to the fibre node (eg further from us). It looks to be approximately 11 premises (using crude google maps satellite image) that would also be receiving it.

Edit: The 11 houses are all grouped in close proximity of each other.

Edited by zebb_edi (Tue 27-Nov-18 17:24:12)

In BDUK roll-outs it is not uncommon for some premises in a cabinet area to be left out, so what makes you think that this property is 100% certainly going to get FTTP

e.g. have seen some projects state online FTTP on the way and then VDSL2 appears

Yes so i've had rather a lot of communication with Openreach and South Glos council over the issue as i'm acting on behalf of the local Parish for the 35 remaining houses. I actually had a complaint with South Glos as to how a single premise can fit the 'Value for Money' model but don't seem to be getting very far.

The premises postcode is listed on South Glos Phase 3 funding website. And the postcode only has 1 premise in it. We have had South Glos 100% guarantee us that it is an individual premise being included for that postcode and that the 3 postcodes for the other 35 premises have been 100% confirmed as being excluded by both Openreach and South Glos Council for all future funding.

I was therefor wondering what actually stops or allows the neighbouring premises from ordering anything but from what you say it seems that is where the manifold resides when they actually install it.

Maybe the poles weren�t the reason why the initial CFP quote was high and that it is just a lot of cabling works back to a aggregation node? The local authority would determine who is included in the BDUK roll out. The network has to stop somewhere and can�t keep sprawling so unfortunately it�s stopped short at that one house that was part of the CFP. Why don�t you wait a while and then submit a new CFP request?

The council have told us they have adopted a hands off "not to restrict the supplier" approach, so it would be openreach who have decided where to upgrade and that is the point where the money has run out. We could resubmit afterwards I guess. We're struggling to ask them to re-evaluate the costs currently though.

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It's also worth pointing out that no additional poles would need to be installed for the 35 premises now. This is based on the existing copper installation and the fact new poles were installed after the CFP quote for a fibre leased line to a local prison, also now effectively covering that part of the cost for the BDUK work.

What makes you think fibre leased line infrastructure would be used for consumer FTTP lines?

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No I understand it's different technologies, just stating there are now poles along the entire stretch meaning new ones wouldn't be required.

Edit. They could choose to insist on digging the road instead of using the new poles but that would be to reach the individual premise so that would be BDUK funding any how. After that there is probably 300m poles and 150m ducting for the remaining 35 houses. They could insist on more ducting again but don't know if they would?