If all they care about is price, they don't need G.Fast. They are getting more than plenty speed already with the cabinet-only deployment.

I agree, I don't think there is much demand for either. If there was overwhelming demand for faster speeds Virgin would already have cleaned up.

Edited by deleted (Sun 16-Dec-18 21:59:25)

... but it�s effective range is pathetic.

In reply to a post by partial:

Cheaper to build gfast and find there is no demand than build full fibre and find there is no demand.

... but then not to have a product anyone wants ? That�s short sighted.

Recall 2008/2009 the same with VDSL2 take-up was in 2010 to 2012 only started to climb a couple of years later

In reply to a post by partial:

Punters don't care about whether a product is delivered over gfast or full fibre. All they care about is price. When it comes to digging up peoples block pavers they may well prefer gfast's price and implementation.

The only digging needed here in Leeds is new poles and duct unblocking. No-one's block paving is getting attacked.

I'm paying VM £72 a month for business grade broadband. The G.fast pod is too far away to be of any use.

Sales of the product are going to be extremely low. When the only people it's available to are already getting 80Mb sync and some of those will only see a 25% uplift on G.fast it's not a massive surprise.

A major use for FTTP would have been uplift for those whose VDSL was poor. G.fast from the PCP does nothing for them. Uptake is low because it is an expensive, prolonged PR exercise to tick boxes on availability at >100Mb. The areas that are being deployed to now can, if anything, feel somewhat depressed about it as they are likely at the back of the queue for FTTP now.

Had Openreach been serious about this they would have put fibre deeper into the access network and used remote nodes. VDSL is still going strong 10 years later and has a few years left in it. I seriously doubt this iteration of G.fast is expected to last more than 5.

In reply to a post by partial:

Cheaper to build gfast and find there is no demand than build full fibre and find there is no demand.

Cheaper still to do your homework and build nothing for now. Openreach have telemetry on every VDSL line on their network in the UK. They know exactly how much data customers are using. They have no need to build then find no demand.

If what you're saying is true what's the mindset behind overbuilding VDSL with FTTP in some areas, or Vodafone and VM building out at scale?

Have you seen the cost savings Verizon and AT&T have reported in terms of operational expense alongside how cheap they have gotten FTTP construction via existing infrastructure down to?

G.fast from PCP provides zero operational cost reduction. That is all provided by VDSL.

pretty much agree with everything ignition has said.

g.fast from poles would have been great, it would have been an intermediate step between vdsl and fttp. Instead it seems a cheap marketing hack for higher speed with it only been deployed from cabinets. Given openreach are already stepping up FTTP rollout, then g.fast will be short lived.

My area was announced for FTTP before g.fast from openreach, I wonder if the 2 departments are even talking to each other.

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My area was announced for FTTP before g.fast from openreach, I wonder if the 2 departments are even talking to each other.

Fibre Cities is a hybrid deployment, not just FTTP. Some exchange areas within the city get all G.fast, some all FTTP, some a mixture. So a big warning that just because your city has featured in a press release doesn't mean FTTP is coming to you, just that either FTTP or G.fast is likely.

Announcements don't indicate pure FTTP.

ok will wait and see then, if it is g.fast I will just keep my vdsl.

I just found this which I missed before, so if openreach do just do g.fast this may happen.

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2017/08/cityfi...

business only service but the areas listed I am in there, and the postcode checker gives me this. Which seems to suggest I am not in there but within a range of possible future expansion.

Great News!
It looks like you're very close to our network.

I looked at their map and my road is done, and there is also a residential section on the cityfibre website which seems tied to vodafone, but I cannot find a way to do a check/order for residential, but this is an interesting turnup.

I found postcode checker on vodafone and it says superfast only so I registered my interest, so lets see what they come up with, according to cityfibre's coverage map I am within a FTTP area, and they also list a business FTTP reseller as selling service to my postcode (onecom), so hopefully this is because vodafone just need to update their systems or something.

Edited by Chrysalis (Mon 24-Dec-18 15:12:16)