What about the difference between 330/30 and 330/50? Is this also due to the type of equipment at the exchange?

I am in the process of having FTTPoD installed, and I believe I will get 330/30 - this is what the checker says is available. However the wholesale price list shows both 330/30 and 330/50 at the same price.

So I presume it must be a technology limit which means that some properties can only take 330/30 rather than 330/50 ?

I believe BT Wholesale don't sell anything above 330/30 on FTTPoD, despite higher speeds available on FTTPoD on Openreach's pricelist. Even if BTW did sell the higher speeds on FTTPoD, the CPs would still have to make them available to the public.

AFAIK the 330/30 & 330/50 tiers run on both ECI and Huawei headend equipment so nothing to do with hardware limitations. However on native FTTP lines, the CP will usually provision 330/50 instead of 330/30 as both are sold at the same price by BT Wholesale & Openreach. Why BT Wholesale can't supply 330/50 instead of 330/30 on FTTPoD lines, only God knows....

Edited by deleted (Sun 30-Dec-18 12:31:57)

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

He's talking about the OpenReach availability checker.

It does not list what speeds are available to an individual property.

Well in a way they do, they just don't display it, FTTC speeds seems to be in the range of the BTW listed speed, however FTTP just show the 330Mbps down and don't list the up.

A few of us have created apps that display all that information available, we did this to save us going the other way to get it, I know BT (chairman's office) are aware of mine along with my BTW Checker I wrote a while back, which was made known to them by my local MP when we were trying to get FTTP a few years back.

I was told to stop using my BTW App back then which I did.

I still use my other app on the "Where and When Page" every few weeks to see if new information has been added and from time to time some stuff gets added, like G.Fast speeds (which are empty due to we don't have G.Fast in my area, or it might just not be used as yet), so I am always updating my app etc.

Paul

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

I think Blmcg is referring to another Openreach checker - not accessible to Jo Public (CP only) - which gives another check on FTTP availability.

Correct

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

If true, I'm confused as to why BT Wholesale and Openreach aren't singing off the same hymn sheet wrt FTTP speeds/availability, ie why would the BTW checker show 1 Gig FTTP available for a property but the Openreach CP only checker doesn't? Doesn't quite add up...

Because 500 & 1Gb products are available everywhere to a CP ready to consume them (bar ECI). Openreach don't even provide a speed estimate, availability is implied.

Doesn't mean BTW is geared up for it yet (10Gb GEA Cablelinks/10Gb Port capacity, Sufficient exchange backhaul etc).
They choose what speed to show and provide to us, where we use them.

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

I believe BT Wholesale don't sell anything above 330/30 on FTTPoD, despite higher speeds available on FTTPoD on Openreach's pricelist. Even if BTW did sell the higher speeds on FTTPoD, the CPs would still have to make them available to the public.

Why BT Wholesale can't supply 330/50 instead of 330/30 on FTTPoD lines, only God knows....

Wholesale can provide us 500 & 1Gb On Demand now.
160/30 330/50 on demand available from OR, but Wholesale won't provide these.
We can provide these in some parts of the country.

In reply to a post by Blmcg:

Lot of misinformation in this thread, hope the below clarifies.

If you see only 330/50 then it is because either the FTTP is ECI backed, or more likely that Wholesale do not have a 10Gb GEA cablelinks in place to the L2S, or sufficient back-haul capacity to provide the service.

Thanks. We've actually just noticed that, in the new build we're moving to next year, if we're lucky we'll have 330/50 maximum due to ECI OLT. If we're unlucky we'll have nothing as the network is at capacity so needs some work to connect the last properties. Hopefully they'll be scaling it and adding as they provision new units!

In reply to a post by Blmcg:

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

I think Blmcg is referring to another Openreach checker - not accessible to Jo Public (CP only) - which gives another check on FTTP availability.

Correct

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

If true, I'm confused as to why BT Wholesale and Openreach aren't singing off the same hymn sheet wrt FTTP speeds/availability, ie why would the BTW checker show 1 Gig FTTP available for a property but the Openreach CP only checker doesn't? Doesn't quite add up...

Because 500 & 1Gb products are available everywhere to a CP ready to consume them (bar ECI). Openreach don't even provide a speed estimate, availability is implied.

Doesn't mean BTW is geared up for it yet (10Gb GEA Cablelinks/10Gb Port capacity, Sufficient exchange backhaul etc).
They choose what speed to show and provide to us, where we use them.

Ok cheers. So based on what you said Wholesale are incorrectly showing 1 Gig FTTP availability for every most Huawei FTTP lines up & down the country. Have CPs such as yourself asked Wholesale to correct their Jo Public accessible checker? ie make their checker align with the CP only Openreach checker?

Edited by deleted (Mon 31-Dec-18 13:04:31)

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

I believe BT Wholesale don't sell anything above 330/30 on FTTPoD, despite higher speeds available on FTTPoD on Openreach's pricelist. Even if BTW did sell the higher speeds on FTTPoD, the CPs would still have to make them available to the public.

AFAIK the 330/30 & 330/50 tiers run on both ECI and Huawei headend equipment so nothing to do with hardware limitations. However on native FTTP lines, the CP will usually provision 330/50 instead of 330/30 as both are sold at the same price by BT Wholesale & Openreach. Why BT Wholesale can't supply 330/50 instead of 330/30 on FTTPoD lines, only God knows....

Thanks. So after 12 months I should have the option to regrade to 330/50. Or if I'm happy with the 30M upload speed, I might save a few quid by going to 160/30.

In reply to a post by Blmcg:

Wholesale can provide us 500 & 1Gb On Demand now.
160/30 330/50 on demand available from OR, but Wholesale won't provide these.
We can provide these in some parts of the country.

Out of interest, what parts of the country? It's always good to have a few alternatives.

Currently the only FTTPoD providers I know of are Cerberus (national), FluidOne (national), and Spectrum (Wales and South West)

Think he's saying that nothing is incorrect. Wholesale don't show gigabit availability for every line - there are lines on Huawei kit on Hunslet showing both depending on the backhaul Wholesale have in place from that OLT. Multiple OLTs serve the exchange as it's a parent, Wholesale don't have 10G backhaul to all of them.

Openreach, correctly, indicate all Huawei kit has gigabit available because it does. Whether their customers want to sell us gigabit on it is different and their largest customer's checker varies accordingly.