In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

Think he's saying that nothing is incorrect. Wholesale don't show gigabit availability for every line - there are lines on Huawei kit on Hunslet showing both depending on the backhaul Wholesale have in place from that OLT. Multiple OLTs serve the exchange as it's a parent, Wholesale don't have 10G backhaul to all of them.

Openreach, correctly, indicate all Huawei kit has gigabit available because it does. Whether their customers want to sell us gigabit on it is different and their largest customer's checker varies accordingly.

But then why would the Wholesale checker show 1 Gig as 'available' for my line yet no ISP is able to sell me with such a service (despite ISPs offering this)? I would have thought the Wholesale checker would only show 'available' once all the pre-requisites for the Gigabit service had been met, eg Huawei GPON hardware, 10Gbps cable links in place, enough backhaul etc. But clearly they haven't for my line (and others too I imagine) so I'm puzzled as to why the Wholesale and Openreach (CP only) checkers churn out different results.

Edited by deleted (Mon 31-Dec-18 12:35:55)

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

But then why would the Wholesale checker show 1 Gig as 'available' for my line yet no ISP is able to sell me with such a service (despite ISPs offering this)? I would have thought the Wholesale checker would only show 'available' once all the pre-requisites for the Gigabit service had been met, eg Huawei GPON hardware, 10Gbps cable links in place, enough backhaul etc. But clearly they haven't for my line (and others too I imagine) so I'm puzzled as to why the Wholesale and Openreach (CP only) checkers churn out different results.

As far as ISPs go same reason A&A don't sell 330Mb, or others 500Mb. You probably use at peak times perhaps 3-10Mb/s, I'll go high as you're on FoD, having another 900+Mb/s there for burst is a lot of capacity.

The checkers churn out different results because they are presenting different things. What ISPs sell is at their discretion from that point on - many just won't sell a gigabit because it's not compelling commercially - seen how much ISPs pay Wholesale per Mb/s per month?

Rather than thinking of it as checkers presenting the same data in different ways it's 3 different checkers. Each can offer at most what the previous one in the chain is advertising but from there it's CP or ISP discretion. Openreach indicate what's available between CableLink and customer, Wholesale what's available between CableLink and the edge of their network facing their customers, ISPs what's available between Wholesale's network and their Internet-facing edge. Many ISPs don't sell FTTP full stop even though they could. Wholesale don't have the required capacity in some areas to sell 500Mb or 1G.

Check out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9J6pEAU50M from the awesome Andy Furnell for some idea of the huge amounts of capacity required to allow FTTP customers on 300Mb to burst.

But a few ISPs such as FluidOne & Syscomm ARE selling 1 Gig nationwide on BTW/Openreach circuits at present, just as long as the Openreach CP only checker gives the green light:

http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/t/4609798-re-...

So, I'm really curious to know why the BT Wholesale checker will say 1 Gig FTTP is available for a particular property (eg mine) but the Openreach CP only checker says it isn't - FluidOne have confirmed that 1 Gig is NOT available on my line. Yet a property in (say in W Midlands) will also show up as 1 Gig ready in the BTW checker but then the Openreach CP only checker will say that property in W Midlands can indeed order the 1 Gig service. Or simply put, why isn't the BTW (public) checker in tune with the Openreach (CP only) checker? Hence why I suggested to Blmcg that perhaps BTW need this pointing out to them.

Edited by deleted (Mon 31-Dec-18 15:00:56)

Solve that puzzle and you may be able to solve why Ofcom say 1000 Mbps symmetric for some Openreach FTTP locations (no other FTTP provider that I know about either)

Seems to me like the FTTP market is still quite immature and there isn�t a coherent strategy in place even now regarding rollout. The discussion about speeds in excess of 330 seems pretty theoretical - who needs faster than this, really?

I live on a new-build estate on the edge of Derby on FTTP 200/20 and get 200+/21 with 7-9ms latency on speed tests, but we never even touch the sides with that capacity. We are clearly on Huawei headend as BTW checker lists our line as 1000/220. In fact, I think the headend was installed at the exchange for our estate, as from speaking to Openreach site engineers, our fibre doesn�t come from our local exchange as there is no headend there, (although the BTW checker indicates 330/50 FTTPoD available for properties connected to that exchange). We are connected to an exchange almost in the city centre, to which Openreach pulled 8km of 36-core fibre! What is even more weird is that on our estate of around 600 properties, only about a third of us have access to FTTP. The first phase of the estate is copper lines with no FTTC, then we are FTTP, and now they have gone back to copper as apparently they have run out of capacity. With a 32-way split, they should be able to serve 1,152 properties from 36 fibres though, which I don�t understand. The FTTP uptake on the estate is poor though, as we all have access to Virgin Media too and most people have gone with them due to price. Makes our contention ratio pretty favourable though

In reply to a post by germanbear:

With a 32-way split, they should be able to serve 1,152 properties from 36 fibres though, which I don�t understand.

To cover 1,152 properties they would need to install 9+ Splitter Nodes due to each Splitter Node only takes in up to 4 fibres that then gets split 32 ways providing a maximum of 128 fibres to be daisy chained to all the DP's or connectorized blocks.

All costs money.

Just wondering, how many was able to get FTTP?

Paul

First post, but followed adslguide/thinkbroadband for many years.

I recently moved to a new build with �native� fttp. Currently have virgin; seeing out balance of fixed term contact. The wholesale checker indicates max of 1000/220 for my address. Per this thread, there are no �mainstream� providers offering more than 330/50. If one was to approach a FluidOne / Cerberus or another �niche� provider, what is the likely cost of the 1000/220 service. I�m not expecting formal quote - more indicative cost. I also appreciate there is a 500gbp �connection� fee.

Happy new year to everyone.

OpenReach charge for 1000/220Mb is £960 + VAT per year.
£500 + VAT install fee.

https://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/products/prici...

That's the price to the ISP. Then you have their charges and profit on top.

As has already been mentioned most selling this will be selling it as a business product.
No idea if the likes of Spectrum sell this as a residential offering on their patch.

Edited by j0hn83 (Mon 31-Dec-18 17:34:38)

In reply to a post by Agb_ldn:

If one was to approach a FluidOne / Cerberus or another �niche� provider, what is the likely cost of the 1000/220 service.

Not cheap! I think the monthly costs will be at least £200 p/m, probably a lot more + one off install costs of £500+. FluidOne do sell the 1 Gig service but weren't able to quote me as they said Openreach aren't able to supply me with the 1 Gig service, despite the BT Wholesale checker saying otherwise. If you live in the Midlands area then you may hit the jackpot as the 1 Gig Openreach service is only available in certain areas of the UK - irrespective of what the BT Checker shows for your fttp line. You're better off getting in touch with FluidOne and also Syscomm (see Blmcg's posts) for a custom quote. Not sure about Cerberus as they told me they don't sell anything more than 330/50 a couple of months ago - not sure if that's still the case.

Edited by deleted (Mon 31-Dec-18 17:46:51)

Pass. Syscomm say they don't sell it nationwide, limited by geography. Not actually aware of any operator that advertises the product for nationwide availability. Depending on how they buy capacity from BT Wholesale even if they did want to sell it it may require augmenting capacity specifically to sell to that one customer.