Address SERENDIPITY, MONKHOPTON, BRIDGNORTH, WV16 6SE on Exchange DITTON PRIORS is served by Cabinet 2

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Yes, the checker shows which copper cabinet the address is connected to.

But FTTP/FTTPoD does NOT touch the cabinet in any way shape or form.

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

In reply to a post by germanbear:

There are only 150 properties on our estate with FTTP. Crazy really.

Not crazy at all from the developer's perspective. As John says, its the developer who requests connectivity from Openreach. Usually copper is cheaper however in recent years Openreach have offered fibre at no extra cost provided the developer is building at least 30 plots - though the initial criteria was 100 homes. So if some homes on your estate are copper only, then it would have been cheaper for the developer to provide copper instead of fibre to those homes at the time, ie either the Openreach scheme had NOT started or the developer did not meet the scheme criteria when those copper only houses were being built. Most - if not all - developers will choose copper over fibre if its cheaper.

Trust me, it is crazy. They pulled 8km of 36 core fibre as there was no headend at our nearest exchange, to only serve 150 properties! Imagine what the cost was to do that. They have then reverted to copper for the final phase of the development, around another 100 properties, with not even FTTC on offer. I think it is to do with the presence of VM on the whole estate and the poor take-up of FTTP, even though it is a far better product. Are Openreach obliged to install a line, be it copper or fibre, if VM is on offer, as to do not do so would mean that VM had a monopoly?

As for good luck getting 1Gbps, I reckon I would be fine here, as I've just about got my own dedicated fibre back to the exchange! Even with 32 subscribers on one 2.5Gb fibre, the likelihood that everyone will simultaneously burst at full speed is unlikely. Unless they were all on Ultrafast with the 100 speed guarantee and orchestrated a simultaneous speedtest in order to get the £20.

Your case and Paul's are very very different with absolutely no relevance to each other.
Paul's area isn't a brand spanking new development. They rolled FTTP equipment out to his area then abandoned it for FTTC.
He emailed the CEO and got his FTTP enabled.

You're in a new development.
OpenReach deliver what the developer orders.

What makes you think they pulled the fibre 8km?
Even if it was an OpenReach engineer who told you that, take it with a VERY small pinch of salt.
While many engineers know their stuff, others come out with huge whoppers.

We had someone on the FTTPoD thread yesterday get told by the OpenReach surveyor of all people "Your fibre install should be straight forward as you get 70Mb+ so you must be near the cabinet."
The fibre doesn't even come from the cabinet.
If the guy surveying the route doesn't know where the source is don't be surprised if the guy working on your estate had no idea where the fibre originated.

It doesn't come from the local exchange or the nearest Head-End but the nearest Fibre Aggregation Node.
Unless there's no FTTC cabinets within 8km then the chances they took the fibre from so far away is pretty small.

Edited by j0hn83 (Fri 04-Jan-19 11:55:22)

I'm totally confident in the information I have. The engineer I spoke to on site here, was on the new sites team who did the install on our site. The exchange he told me it comes from is the one which it tells me I am on from the BTW checker, which is 7.36km by road from my house.... He said it didn't come from our nearest exchange as there is no fibre headend there.

In reply to a post by germanbear:

I'm totally confident in the information I have. The engineer I spoke to on site here, was on the new sites team who did the install on our site. The exchange he told me it comes from is the one which it tells me I am on from the BTW checker, which is 7.36km by road from my house.... He said it didn't come from our nearest exchange as there is no fibre headend there.

Did you read my message? None of it comes from exchanges. They come from Fibre Aggregation Nodes.

The fibre may indeed be lit from a distant headend, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they pulled fibre all the way from there. They would have taken fibre from the nearest fibre aggregation node.

FTTC cabinets are also served from fibre aggregation nodes; so if you have any FTTC cabinets serving nearby areas, then there is almost certainly a fibre aggregation node somewhere nearby. (If there wasn't, they would have installed one while deploying the FTTC cabinets)

germanbear

For any residential scenario it is pretty irrelevant anyway. Most PCs cannot cope with 1Gbps for more than a second or two so will slow down the acks while the hard disk copes. (Even SSDs will slow the transfer rate.) Also most ( not all) distant sources will not feed a single customer with 1Gbps as they will be timesharing their capacity across multiple customers. Getting 8-10 PCs all streaming HD will still only hit 400Mb so normal long time period use will not be that bad and 8+ PCs is not the normal family scenario.

Downloading 100Gb games is always limited by the distant ends ( Even on steam) so not a constant 1Gbps.

Only the best speedtest sites will cope with sending Gbps streams so speedtests are the most likely to saturate a connection, especially doing multiple at a time on each connection. ( Even these limit the number of tests at a time as otherwise their connection becomes the limiting factor and affects the result!, this is why not so good ones give variable results, their connection is the weak spot!)

Business use is a different matter when downloading / uploading from a business server but even then unless running a multi person business ( or a server site) you are unlikely to have the ability to saturate the connection for minutes at a time. ISPs T&Cs usually bar claims for these scenarios.

I agree, even worst case would be to the nearest exchange manhole that would have fibre to serve all the other equipment in the building!

There are very few exchanges without fibre, usually those with exchange activate only services. Any exchange with WBC ( outside Scottish Islands which can be radio fed with fibre from the aerial to building!) certainly has fibre and has had for years.

LOLing at the fact that you know more than the Openreach engineers who have actually had their hands on the infrastructure on our estate. In fact, another engineer who came to fix the copper line in our previous property a few weeks before we moved, also told me the exact same info that the fibre was pulled 8km from the Peartree exchange, not our closest exchange, Mickleover. They must have been colluding to give me fake news.

I get the aggregation node bit, but they are fed from exchanges.... When you enter one of the properties on here which has FTTP into the BTW checker, it says it comes from the Peartree exchange. When you enter the address of a copper property, in some cases directly opposite or next door to an FTTP property, it says Mickleover exchange. Explain this....