Are you close to your brother, and does he or yourself own the land in between, or do you have line of sight?

In reply to a post by R0NSKI:

Looks like a Huawei cab, ECI cab and a PCP with an extension, and by the sounds of it now also has a G. Fast pod.

It never occurred to me to scroll the picture of the AIO sideways, in either direction .

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In reply to a post by RobertoS:

There is no connection at all between the two technologies Max, and in five year's time both will be largely obsolescent and redundant. Both are stop-gap solutions to make Openreach coverage stats look good on the (relative) cheap.

What will be obsolescent, the rollout, or the fibre itself. I know 5G will come but unlikely to hit rural areas for a while (don't have 4G, and don't have much coverage on EE just O2 & Voda). Plus for larger sites I am not certain a mobile network will want the traffic.
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What do you think is next?

xDSLx and G.FAST are just a stop-gap until FTTP becomes ubiquitous in all but remote areas. 5G and satellite will become the norm for farmers and the like to run their businesses efficiently.

Neither of those is likely to be of any use for serious gamers of course, due to the highly fluctuating latency.

I even wonder if 5G is as high as mobile will go? It might last a fair while, but I doubt if development will stop there.

Who knows what position-maintaining solar-powered drones might bring, and far cheaper low-orbit satellite clusters �!

In reply to a post by R0NSKI:

Are you close to your brother, and does he or yourself own the land in between, or do you have line of sight?

2.25km as the crow flies. We both have copper broadband and wireless broadband from a local WISP who are great. Their mast is some 30km away on the top of a big hill. We use three nanoobeams and a litebeam around our site, and he uses probably a dozen nanoobeams or more. The WISP dishes are somewhat larger but have the same receivers. So we are familiar with Ubiquiti kit.

Most of the land between isn't ours, and crosses a metalled road so private fibre run is out of the question! We have discussed a backhaul link but there are rows of trees in the way and getting high enough to be over the trees is unlikely. Trees generally being as tall as houses.

My WISP backhaul is awesome and clear from interference , his is a bit ropey. So even if we could get permission to put our own relay on the mast his would be limited to 20Mbps max. Fresnel zones and trees and stuff.

Have wondered about putting masts in but we would be looking at significant spend to get two masts high enough (probably 12m+). At which point spending £10k on groundworks and masts and transmitters becomes uneconomical vs £20k for the real deal.

Dave

Well, it's situational. I rent but I know I'll be here for quite some time and I weighed in whether a leased line would be worth it or go FTTPoD. I decided that as long as I'm here for couple of years I'm better off going for FTTPoD, not to mention the actual install cost was on the lower end of the scale. The rent I pay is also a little below average for the type of house I live in and where I live, the landlord is pretty fair.

5G isn't going to address the needs of rural farmers.

Most of the frequencies allocated for it are much higher than 3G/4G. They are more susceptible to line of site issues and being blocked by things like trees.

You need more cell masts, closer together for 5G than you do for 3G/4G. It isn't aimed at low population density rural areas.

I agree. (Note I did say 5G and satellite ).

In fact AIUI the 5G signal even in urban and suburban areas is going to need a huge number of "masts", possibly every 50 metres or so. So much for self-driving cars talking to each other to avoid collisions! Travelling towards each other on different masts and carriers �.

Fun times?

But we are a very long way off topic. Not even in the right forum for that discussion.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

Today is the one-year anniversary of submitting my FTTPoD order to survey, having previously received my desktop quote under the new pricing regime. Sadly, installation still seems as far away as ever.

There's no fibre installed that I know of. Some sections of duct have been unblocked and roped; the 34m of new duct which my survey said would be required has been dug.

Before Christmas, Openreach identified another section of duct which needed unblocking (which has since been scheduled and missed several times). In early January they said another 164m of duct would need to be dug, which hasn't even been scheduled yet.

All credit to Cerberus for providing updates weekly or more, and who have said they are going to turn up the pressure further.

Openreach are boasting about their improving delivery times (for ethernet), but clearly there's plenty more scope for improvement in FTTPoD.

Gosh, I just passed the 8 month anniversary from my order to survey. So far we have have had rotten poles replaced, tree cutting done and ducts rodded and roped.

I'm told all the overhead cabling is complete and sure enough there is a large roll of copper and fibre lead in cabling left coiled at the base of the last pole before it comes into mine.

I'm told by my Cerberus rep that the UG allocator is "trying to resource jointers asap" - well its been that way for several weeks. Ho hum...

Hope your install starts moving along sharpish too. All the best with it.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

Today is the one-year anniversary of submitting my FTTPoD order to survey, having previously received my desktop quote under the new pricing regime. Sadly, installation still seems as far away as ever.

That makes two of us then - my one-year anniversary is in a couple of weeks. Like you, I can't fault Cerberus (they've been great with the updates), but by gum Openreach has had a rough time of it.

The visible parts of the install, the loops of yellow-and-black fibre coiled on the poles, were done months ago, it's the ducting which has held things up. There have been two sets of roadworks so far (with lights) and no end of problems, including scheduling them in the first place (as the council only allows roadworks outside a school outside of term-time).

The latest is that the blocked ducts further up the main road were congested - full, rather than blocked - and attempts to pull out redundant cabling to free up space have failed. That means 116m of new duct will have to be installed, presumbaly alongside the existing duct (i.e. under a pavement, so not cheap). The "required by" date is in April and, luckily for me, is during the Easter school holidays. Hopefully this time they won't need to reschedule it, as that would push it back to May.

Bear in mind the cost of all this to Openreach: at their prices, 116m of footway duct plus fibre is over £8000 - and that doesn't include the dozen+ permits (£250 a pop), the three sets of traffic lights, the labour, the costs of the other roadworks, the spools of fibre hanging from the poles, the pole equipment and so on...

For all this, I've paid £4010 - one of the biggest bargains going, judging by the amount Openreach are having to spend! If this had all been costed out in advance and a bill of £16000+ had been presented, I wouldn't have gone for it.

(I would imagine with all the work required for your install, Openreach will have booked a heavy loss there as well!)

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Hi

Sounds like Openreach have had a lot of extra work to do there. Still for Openreach whilst the extra work is costing them money (and for you time) they are essentially repairing their own infrastructure, so they would have had to do it eventually. It would be wrong for them to charge the customer for repairs.

Fingers crossed it is not much longer.

Regards

Phil