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Standard User simon194
(experienced) Mon 13-May-19 08:26:55
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Sometimes the local authorities won't adopt a new build estate for financial reasons. Mine has block paved roads and the authorities have decided it could become too costly to maintain so won't adopt it.
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(deleted) Mon 13-May-19 09:17:50
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Sometimes the local authorities won't adopt a new build estate for financial reasons. Mine has block paved roads and the authorities have decided it could become too costly to maintain so won't adopt it.


After Virgin Media's experience network builders probably wouldn't be wanting to go near a block paved road anyway, sadly frown
Standard User simon194
(experienced) Tue 14-May-19 08:38:42
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Openreach nearly cost me my house because there was a delay in getting the duct work done which meant the developer couldn't lay the road and I was getting towards the end date of my mortgage offer. Luckily my FA managed to get a 2 week extension on the offer.


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Standard User kitcat
(experienced) Tue 14-May-19 21:03:13
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Back in 2004 when FTTP was first being looked at by BT ECI was one of the only suppliers to meet the technical requirements BUT 10G ports were not even available on the edge routers then! ( Just coming in on Core routers) People forget how fast technology has moved on.

BT wanted it for new builds that were a long way from the exchange ( No FTTC then) but didn't start building FTTP then as OFTEL wouldn't agree to no LLU so BT would have had to do copper as well. Ebbsfleet (New town) was the first area to get agreement to FTTP only but house building stalled during the recession in 2008/9.

Even in 2010 people were not foreseeing 1Gb to residential Premises being required so 10G ports were still not on the radar.

In reality it is only a select group of home workers that need 1G, those that are video editing, satellite mapping or dealing with very large databases. These are really business connections done on the cheap not residential that GPON FTTP was designed for. Most large offices still don't have 1G paths as most don't stream large quantities of HD ( or above) Video.
Standard User jabuzzard
(member) Wed 15-May-19 10:09:56
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ECI OLTs. Openreach have no intention of decommissioning them any time soon. They only have gigabit CableLink capability so, despite being GPON facing the home or business, they are restricted by this.

Openreach do not sell above 330Mb on them for this reason.

Openreach provided specifications, ECI delivered equipment to them. Those specifications evidently didn't include 10G ports.


Except all the evidence is that the 500Mbps and 1Gbps FTTP tiers are delivered using XGPON which requires replacing the GPON OLT anyway. This is the reason that has been given for the £500 installation fee in the past. So the fact that your current service is delivered using a ECI OLT is entirely irrelevant.

All that said until the last couple of weeks availability outside specific geographic areas was none existent anyway as no ISP was selling speeds higher than 330Mbps nationally. Even now the costs are eye wateringly high, but I would be highly surprised if they are not already available higher speeds become available soon.
Standard User j0hn83
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 15-May-19 11:48:38
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Nope.
500Mb and 1Gb services are delivered over GPON, until capacity is reached.
Only then are XG-PON upgrades done.

The £500 install fee is banked until upgrades are required.
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(deleted) Wed 15-May-19 16:33:06
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Nope.
500Mb and 1Gb services are delivered over GPON, until capacity is reached.
Only then are XG-PON upgrades done.

The £500 install fee is banked until upgrades are required.


What John said - thanks man. You can regrade to 1G and move to it instantly - no upgrade to the GPON-only ONT in your home.
Standard User Michael_Chare
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 15-May-19 18:41:41
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No provider has the right to build on private property.
Telecoms providers can provide for access using Code powers.

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(staff) Wed 15-May-19 19:43:28
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Which covers the public highway and not a private road/land

The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
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(deleted) Thu 16-May-19 01:39:33
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Telecoms providers can provide for access using Code powers.


If they go to court to get it of course, which is likely unrealistic. They have no right to build on private property without court permission, only to seek access through the legal system.

In the event that agreement cannot be reached with the owner or occupier of private land, the Code allows an operator to apply to the Court to impose an agreement which confers the Code right being sought or for the Code right to bind the landowner or occupier.
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