Where has TalkTalk said a nationwide FTTP network of their own build? The FibreNation vehicle is of limited coverage, Ripon, Harrogate and York (part built already) and is still sat seeking an investor.

If TalkTalk never sell FTTP on the Openreach platform they are going to have zero customers in Salisbury in a couple of years.

As Andrew says, TalkTalk have their own 'small' set up, but their spring statement to shareholders stated they would be going with OR FTTP in other areas. I imagine they are working on getting best terms.

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Are you saying their (initial?) plan to cover 3 million premises is just for York, Harrogate & Ripon? Pretty sure those areas have a combined total of far less than 3 million premises. And whilst 3 million is only ~10% of uk premises, i imagine they will eventually move onto other areas nationwide hence the title Fibre Nation. Anyway talk is cheap, they need to find an investor first!

https://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/8245-talktalk-cr...

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TalkTalk, unlike Sky, are planning to roll out their own FTTP network nationwide so they may never sell full fibre on the Openreach platform. Sky will be offering Openreach based FTTP & gfast by the end of 2019, offering speeds of up to 1 Gig.

I'll eat Paddy's hat if Talktalk aren't selling OpenReach FTTP in the next 12 months.

An FTTP network in York isn't nationwide.

Nope - initial aim is 100,000 premises. The 3 million is an eventual aim and very dependant on a long term investor

Probably already selling in a very quiet way

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I'll eat Paddy's hat if Talktalk aren't selling OpenReach FTTP in the next 12 months.

An FTTP network in York isn't nationwide.

Well you may have to eat that hat because they would have jumped on the Openreach FTTP bandwagon a long time ago if they had no plans for their own FTTP network. They were one of the first to sell Openreach G.Fast and most CPs who sell g.fast also sell FTTP. Of course if their own plans for FTTP fall through then they might not have any choice but to start selling Openreach based FTTP.

As for their FTTP build in York, that was their pilot/trial FTTP project with CityFibre. Their Fibre Nation project is planned to cover 3 million premises (eventually) which is the equivalent of 15 towns/cities the size of York. However as I said earlier all of this means diddly squat if they can't find an investor.

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G.Fast was initially predicted to cover millions of homes in a very short time period.
Talktalk decided this was worth making order systems and training staff for.

Until very recently there has been so little OpenReach FTTP it wasn't worthwhile for Talktalk/Sky to sell it.

Sky have decided to sell OpenReach FTTP now that OR are planning to cover millions of homes.

By your logic Talktalk will roll out their own FTTP network and sell that to end users.
They will sell OpenReach G.Fast to customers, but not FTTP.
That's some bizarre business strategy.

If they were holding back from selling OpenReach Ultrafast because of their Fibre Nation plans then they wouldn't have sold G.Fast at all.

They choose to sell G.Fast as it's quick access to a faster product to millions of customers.
They will do the same when OpenReach FTTP has a big enough footprint.

The Talktalk Fibre Nation plan is simply an ambition to build an FTTP network with someone else's money. The main investor they had planned has already walked away after failing to agree terms with them.

You're very welcome to come back in 12 months time and say I told you so, and I'll gladly eat that hat.
I'd be extremely surprised if they don't start selling it within 12 months though.

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In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

TalkTalk, unlike Sky, are planning to roll out their own FTTP network nationwide so they may never sell full fibre on the Openreach platform. Sky will be offering Openreach based FTTP & gfast by the end of 2019, offering speeds of up to 1 Gig.

I'll eat Paddy's hat if Talktalk aren't selling OpenReach FTTP in the next 12 months.

An FTTP network in York isn't nationwide.

TTB use OR for their FTTP business lines