In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

CityFibre - cheaper to buy

Bingo! This is what I've been saying all along, ie non-Openreach FTTP services often cost less at the wholesale level which in turn means cheaper prices for the end user.

However.....I will have to eat humble pie....

"Partnership from Openreach"
FTTP Future
� Committed to ensuringmaximum number of customers have access to full Fibre
� Investing in scale full Fibre network. TalkTalk as anchor tenant
� Will wholesale from Openreach � and potentially others � in remainder of country

This is from page 15 here, from the TalkTalk presentation in March 2019:

https://www.talktalkgroup.com/dam/jcr:bed20b23-7f54-...

So i guess the question is "when" not "if" wrt TalkTalk selling Openreach FTTP. Will be interesting to see how their FTTP pricing compares versus BT Retail.

As this thread is now well off the original topic of fixed phone lines, I have signed up to sipgate basic and have a account ready for when i move now set up, did not think it was this easy, Hope this helps other users who are moving home and finding they cant get a landline

I have FTTP and a landline over legacy copper (wasn't offered FVA). I'd love to move to a VoIP solution, but I don't know how to migrate my existing number without ceasing the FTTP service, or if it's even possible at this time.

In reply to a post by bedrock:

I have FTTP and a landline over legacy copper (wasn't offered FVA). I'd love to move to a VoIP solution, but I don't know how to migrate my existing number without ceasing the FTTP service, or if it's even possible at this time.

Give BT a call but my gut feeling is you can't cancel your voice service (copper or FVA) without putting a cease on your FTTP broadband. I say this because when doing a check on BT's website for my FTTP line, BT don't show any FTTP services without voice line rental. Some CPs such as Zen do offer FTTP without the need for a voice service.

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

TalkTalk, unlike Sky, are planning to roll out their own FTTP network nationwide so they may never sell full fibre on the Openreach platform. Sky will be offering Openreach based FTTP & gfast by the end of 2019, offering speeds of up to 1 Gig.

I'll eat Paddy's hat if Talktalk aren't selling OpenReach FTTP in the next 12 months.

An FTTP network in York isn't nationwide.

This is apparently what Trista said on 17th July.
"...from this autumn we're going to be ready to start selling Openreach's Fibre To The Premise products..."
Looks like the hat is safe. Might have to warm up the oven to cook the humble pie for someone though.
If only we had some sort of website that reported news such as this

In reply to a post by Thinker27:

The landline is used for incoming calls from family, and a few hours a month outgoing anytime to UK landlines and mobiles. I'd love to have your ideas about possible providers.

I'd suggest sipgate basic, which has zero monthly charge and free calls to other sipgate numbers. Calls to UK landlines are 1.18p per minute, and mobiles 9.90p per minute. If the proportion of mobile calls is small, you may only pay a couple of quid per month.

There is a 1000 minute landline pack for £5.90/month, or unlimited landlines and mobiles for £9.95 per month. But at that point, I'd be inclined to use my mobile phone for outbound calls instead.

I'll second that.

There's also the added benefit if you travel outside the EU a lot, you can stick the Sipdroid app on your phone and make calls at the same rates as long a you can connect to a free wifi hotspot. Saved me a fortune on call charges when I used to go the States a lot.

And go for someone like Port5060 and pay 0.5p for the UK and 1.2p for mobiles with per second billing and a 1p setup charge.

I've just logged in to Thinkbroadband to ask this very question.

I have a friend who has just moved into a newbuild and only FTTP is laid on for communications/Internet.

He hasn't got a "Landline" yet but will need to as his mobile signal is so bad. I assumed that the Fibre modem which I believe is in a larger case inside the premises would have a BT Phone socket for VOIP, but I'm Clearly unsure about this.
I see an acronym in this thread "FVA" but not sure what it stands for or what it is?

My questions are:-

Does the system use Voice over IP when only Fibre is laid on. If so does it cost more as the normal copper phone features in comparison?
Should there be the standard BT Phone socket on the equipment "box" or would say something like an NTE5 be positoned along side it, if phone connectivity is requested?

Finally, if the Fibre system does use VOIP, are there any Wifi type phones that can connect to the Fibre Modem/Router, so that a wired phone is not required?

Thanks.

Edited by Vorlon (Thu 08-Aug-19 20:41:22)

Question to double check this is Openreach FTTP to the property?

Reason being others do fibre only builds too.