Never is a very long time. They will at some point have to have a G.fast and FTTP products as the long term plan is to do away with ADSL and FTTC. Increasingly not having an FTTP product is a poor move as we are getting to the point where there will be millions of customers you simply cannot serve, which is never a good business strategy, especially if the likes of Sky and TalkTalk start offering a product.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Plusnet will never have g fast or fttp. They only want to keep budget ADSL/ADSL2/FTTC

Never is a long time.

Even G.Fast will have to go as the kit won't be worth the upkeep of the system once FTTP is ubiquitous. Particularly if PSTN is stopped, making ordinary copper phone lines redundant.

Stopping WLR does not make the copper redundant, since the voice can be delivered over a small amount of bandwidth so VDSL2, Gfast will meet that need.

WLR switch off is stage 1
Copper removal is a stage a lot further down the road.

Only applies to the small minority who can get Gfast and FTTP.

That was an add-on to my main point though. "... once FTTP is ubiquitous".

That will deliver full sync speeds to a huge number of FTTC users at 600+ metres from their cabinets. Demands for even more speed will ramp up as well in the next five years. Making the FTTC cabinets grossly underutilised in terms of connections, (though handling a lot of data), as those people switch to FTTP.

Also if native FTTP becomes available to the inside-600m users at VDSL2 prices, what are they going to do? Given that more and more people are ditching landlines for phone use anyway.

It could well give Openreach a better ROI if they replace the whole cabinet system as soon as they have the manpower available. Which will be at scattered area by scattered area.

Appears to be the even smaller minority of only those who can get G.Fast (at the moment)

We can speculate till the cows come home, perhaps a better idea would be to wait and see how the Salisbury trail goes

Sky Checker say NO to G.fast BTw Checker say AMBER to G.fast

G.fast Range A (Clean) 198.2 151.8 29.6 12.4 130.4 Amber Amber --
G.fast Range B (Impacted) 167.1 114 19.8 9.4 101.7 Amber Amber --

but two houses next to me get this I check this one with Sky still say NO to G.fast:

G.fast Range A (Clean) 330 330 50 44.6 330 Amber Amber
G.fast Range B (Impacted) 330 330 50 32.4 329.4 Amber Amber

Edited by adslmax (Tue 20-Aug-19 16:25:59)

I thought you said your estimates were amended to match the neighbours?

It's also not a full blown launch.
It may not be available from Sky in every exchange they operate from right away.