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In reply to a post by Taras:

So what will the voice part be ?

Your choice of:
* VOIP from your ISP, using an ATA port on your ISP-provided router
* VOIP from a third party, via a separate ATA that plugs into your LAN

Many people with mobiles won't bother at all. Only call centres care about fixed telephony, and they'll be all VOIP too. Hence the end of the PSTN.

So no actual product from openreach as such ?

In reply to a post by candlerb:

In reply to a post by Taras:

So what will the voice part be ?

Your choice of:
* VOIP from your ISP, using an ATA port on your ISP-provided router
* VOIP from a third party, via a separate ATA that plugs into your LAN

Many people with mobiles won't bother at all. Only call centres care about fixed telephony, and they'll be all VOIP too. Hence the end of the PSTN.

Yeah, I was talking to BT this morning about the hardware that would be used for this.

I also stated that I wouldn't be happy to use their Hubs for this due to I have had too many issues with them in the past.

But would be happy to use an Ethernet based Device that is plugged into our 3rd Party Router which the phone plugs into, or even use a VoIP Phone and either of those would connect to their VoIP or what ever service they end up using.

While they didn't say how they will be providing this new phone service, I am thinking there will be options due to it couldn't be just built into their router because what if I was with another broadband provider and had my phone service with a BT, that might become an issue, whereas a drop in Ethernet device would / should be fine no matter what broadband provider you are using.

In the worst cases when the change over happens I would probably just go buy a new 3rd party router with built in VoIP that fits our needs.

But yeah they said they are a long way off from moving that direction and that they will let all their customers long before it happens.

But all that money that they spent on the original 4 data + 2 Phone port ONT to then the 1 data + 1 Phone port ONT to then possibly newer ONT without the phone port is just mad.
Sure technology changes all the time, but still mad LOL

Paul

In reply to a post by Taras:

In reply to a post by candlerb:

In reply to a post by Taras:

So what will the voice part be ?

Your choice of:
* VOIP from your ISP, using an ATA port on your ISP-provided router
* VOIP from a third party, via a separate ATA that plugs into your LAN

Many people with mobiles won't bother at all. Only call centres care about fixed telephony, and they'll be all VOIP too. Hence the end of the PSTN.

So no actual product from openreach as such ?

I don't think there needs to be a product from Openreach, just leave it down to the ISP to provide it if required. Sky will be providing a VoIP service using their new hub plus there are numerous VoIP providers to choose from.

Unless OFCOM remove the Voice USO from Openreach (BT) there will have to be a product from either OR or BTRetail to allow the Voice USO to be met in Fibre only areas.

At present the USO is provided by OR but this could change is OFCOM become satisfied that the Market in Fibre areas is competitive and remove the Voice USO from Fibre only areas or transfer it to BTRetail. This would be an about face as historically OFCOM/BT have tried to keep regulation on OR and left Retail free to compete.

Three would be justification for this as the number of non BT Fibre only areas has increased and this would remove the requirement on BT to provide Fixed voice to these areas as well where there is often a lockout that leads to conflict.

While OR will stop providing FVA the technology behind it can be used to provide a VOIP service over any access technology so Retail may just take over the platform and run it in a seamless way. Only real OR part is the 128Kb path and that is not really required if any service over 10Mb is provided, so only at voice only sites and prices are such that the CP will just take a 10Mb product but not supply it to the end user.