In reply to a post by ian72:

not having FTTC does not automatically mean you can order FTTP.

Indeed: whether or not you can order FTTP depends only on whether the FTTP network has already been built to a termination point just outside your property. It's completely separate from the copper network, and hence independent of whether or not you are in an FTTC area.

There is a special case of "FTTP on demand", but it works the opposite way round: if you are in an FTTC area you *can* order FTTPoD, and if you are not in an FTTC area, you cannot. FTTPoD is an expensive bespoke product where you pay Openreach to extend the FTTP network to your premises: it costs usually between £2K and £20K (+VAT). They only do 20 - 100 a month across the whole UK.

"Are you confusing Fibre on Demand with native FTTP " - no idea, Andrew. All I do know is that RH20 2LG has, as far as I know, 1 property receiving ?'FTTP'? and the other 26 or so properties are not. The fibre (poled) 'terminates' outside 1 property and 18 or so other RH20 2LG properties cannot have it without payment under a voucher scheme. It is the usual 'postcode confusion' so familiar with FTTC again and it is misleading to anyone trying to see what the prospects are. I appreciate it is not you causing the confusion, but I still feel that 'native OR FTTP available' is confusing. I really would seek a better way of showing the progress of fibre as it slowly and apparently erratically plods its way down country lanes. I know that Councils are little better informed by OR of what they are doing, which I would also suggest needs to improve. It has been necessary to telephone several properties along a nearby road to tell them that OR fibre is actually 'available' from the pole, as no-one seems to be doing so and they had no idea - seems to be a complete waste of a resource!

"whether or not you can order FTTP depends only on whether the FTTP network has already been built to a termination point just outside your property." - if this is so, then 20+ properties in that post code do NOT have 'OR FTTP available' or they probably would have taken it!.

Looks fixed now.

Where are you seeing that FTTP is available at RH20 2LG? That one property with that postcode has FTTP does not mean that FTTP is generally available as it might have been installed as a result of the property owner having paid what could have been a considerable sum for FTTP On Demand.

In reply to a post by MCM:

Where are you seeing that FTTP is available at RH20 2LG?

Address checker shows FTTP available at several properties in that postcode (Appletree Cottage, East View, Glencairn, Greenlands, Hillside, Junipers, Southway Stud, Thistledown Cottage) - but not at others.

Rural postcodes can cover quite large areas. But if the OP is close to any of the above, it might be worth a punt on FTTPoD.

"Where are you seeing that FTTP is available at RH20 2LG? - on Andrew's map?
"as it might have been installed as a result of the property owner having paid what could have been a considerable sum for FTTP On Demand. - negatory, Big Ben. Part of an OR fibre roll-out.

PO20 7JP is not showing FTTP as majority of premises(flats it looks like) in postcode cannot order GEA-FTTP service, in fact did not see any that could.

Can see 6 premises in RH20 2LG with GEA-FTTP to order, shows up on our checker probably due to a mistake in some data supplied by someone who said it was available in the postcode, i.e. better to not trust anyone it seems. A correction will happen when the processing for today takes place and maps in the next few days once the next render is uploaded.

If the words 'native OR FTTP' are confusing people, then feel free to come up with something just is 3 or 4 words like that tells people a FTTP service is available to order over the Openreach network without the need for excessively high installation fees.

candlerb - "if you are in an FTTC area you *can* order FTTPoD, and if you are not in an FTTC area, you cannot. " - therefore cannot.

Andrew - "If the words 'native OR FTTP' are confusing people, then feel free to come up with something just is 3 or 4 words like that tells people a FTTP service is available to order over the Openreach network without the need for excessively high installation fees."

Perhaps a note to say at some premise or premises in the Post Code. Regarding the 'installation fees' - the sad thing about this road is that many more premises could be covered solely by running fibre further along the existing road on the poles - no unblocking ducts, no 'blowing tho=ugh'. It should be extremely 'cheap' in relative terms. So far waiting over a month for a response to OR for 'costs'.

In reply to a post by mikejp:

candlerb - "if you are in an FTTC area you *can* order FTTPoD, and if you are not in an FTTC area, you cannot. " - therefore cannot.

Availability is determined at the level of individual properties. For example I can see several properties in PO20 7JP which can order FTTC, and explicitly show that FTTPoD is available.

Edited by candlerb (Wed 02-Oct-19 16:14:25)

I fear that information is misleading since no-one in that postcode would get a workable speed. It is about a mile from the cabinet.