Haha.

Well, if someone only considers the downstream speed then yes it's not double despite the price being double. However the upstream speed of FTTP XL is more than triple FTTP Pro's upstream speed, and then you may also want to potentially consider the prioritised rates (110/50 on FTTP Pro vs 220/110 on FTTP XL).

Hopefully we won't be waiting to find out the pricing too much longer.

Edited by Ixel (Tue 10-Mar-20 14:36:03)

In reply to a post by F00tS0re:

FTTP XL £140+VAT (stares blankly - double price for not double).

And most of that money goes to BT Enterprise, not Cerberus.

According to https://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/8680-new-gigabit... the BTE wholesale list price for 500/165 is £90+VAT (and that doesn't include the backhaul)

However, the published OR price is only £55 per month: https://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/products/prici...

The OR price for 550/75 is £27.28 per month, further reduced to £21.28 until 30 Sep 2022: https://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/products/prici...

And yet BTE will sell at £50.

I am all about the download.

We are a set of holiday cottages so mainly streaming TV/Music by guests, upload will be limited.

Even our own use is mainly download, sure all my work stuff is on dropbox, but I reckon everyone else produces more files than me so again will be predominately inbound. Kids watch Netflix and stuff. Probably don't need faster. But price dependant I will go faster.

Typically we max out at about 45-people on site so 300Mbps would be 6Mbps each, at 500 we are over 10Mbps each, and at 1G, well its one 1Gbps. Faster is better, I want broadband at 1.21GW.

And I know Cerberus don't get it all, the world don't work like that.

Dace

In reply to a post by F00tS0re:

I am all about the download.

Yeah download is good, but I would love a bit more upload speed, like 75Mbits to 100Mbits upload would be great for me.

Paul

Wow BT really arent trying to sell their product with that price , Unless you REALLY want it.

In reply to a post by epyon:

Wow BT really arent trying to sell their product with that price , Unless you REALLY want it.

Do you mean OR (Openreach), BTW (BT Wholesale) or BT (the retailer)?

To some extent you may be right. It starts to make leased lines look expensive, and they make a pretty penny on them. Sure Leased Lines will still have benefits from equal up/down speeds and fix-times, but for many businesses the savings vs the risks would make fibre broadband more than adequate.

Keeping the upper end of FTTP expensive may help protect the cash cow.

Dave

In reply to a post by busterboy:

In reply to a post by sparkymark75:

Apparently BT are doing trials with some people. Not sure how you ever get in these trials.

I guess a lot would like to know that Mark.

I just sent a DM to BT on Twitter and 11 mins later I was given a link where I could register to be "considered" for any current/future trials BT are running.

So you could register and still not get into the trials.

Also not too sure if BT want me to post the link or else it would be on their site.
But there is nothing stopping you from asking them via Twitter yourself.

Paul

In reply to a post by F00tS0re:

In reply to a post by epyon:

Wow BT really arent trying to sell their product with that price , Unless you REALLY want it.

Do you mean OR (Openreach), BTW (BT Wholesale) or BT (the retailer)?

To some extent you may be right. It starts to make leased lines look expensive
Dave

I doubt any of them care about leased lines in regards to FTTP.

It is in Openreach's interest to sell higher capacity FTTP as possible at lowest cost to head off CityFibre and to a degree Virgin, if they start opening up their network. This is backup by the discounts they are running on the new tiers and talks of trying to get the price lower for the higher tiers based on volume of sales.

Retail wants to be competitive with TalkTalk, Sky, Vodafone, Virgin so needs as low cost product as possible.

Wholesale only really cares about how much money it can charge as it knows it has the retail divisions of BT over a barrel, so prices it to get most revenue for its business; which might end up being less money overall for BT group. Its a slightly perverse situation that the separation of the divisions of BT might actually cause increased prices for the customer in this situation.

In reply to a post by dogcat:

Its a slightly perverse situation that the separation of the divisions of BT might actually cause increased prices for the customer in this situation.

Although Openreach must provide non-preferential access, it's unclear to me whether BT Wholesale/Enterprise has a similar obligation - whether for example it could offer sweeter prices to BT Retail than to its other customers.

I very much doubt that BT Group would allow BT Retail to be pushed into the arms of Talktalk or Cityfibre, just because BT Wholesale were getting greedy.

(BTW)

I would have 2nd thoughts if vodafone said to me the price would be x4 for less speed.

Hopefully as all things it will get cheaper in time because that isn't a market competitive price vs altnets.

Edited by epyon (Wed 11-Mar-20 07:37:40)