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Standard User burble
(committed) Fri 01-May-20 23:45:02
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Re: FTTP for a minority off a cabinet


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Our cabinet was BDUK funded to get FTTC, but only the closest houses got 'superfast' and at my end of village we where around 5MB, further BDUK funds where found to extend FTTP to our end of village, this fibre came past the houses with 'superfast' but checking Openreach website it seems it wasn't put up their poles as they show only FTTC as being available. So it might be a similar reason.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sat 02-May-20 10:03:22
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Re: FTTP for a minority off a cabinet


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Perfectly normal and business as usual for what you describe.

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Standard User Fastman3
(newbie) Sat 02-May-20 18:59:45
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Re: FTTP for a minority off a cabinet


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interesting comment but FTTP Still has to find a path back to the exchange and primarily will not be using the FTTC Blown Fibre path - or the cabinet as it has to get the to an aggregation node (normally deeper in the network) to enable it to get back the main headend (this could be a number of kilometres in smaller exchanges

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Standard User george1976
(newbie) Sun 03-May-20 11:44:51
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Standard User burble
(committed) Sun 03-May-20 16:58:49
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Re: FTTP for a minority off a cabinet


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Rather annoyingly I've just cycled down the road to cabinet and forgot to look at poles.
What I can tell you is that the fibre in our road was laid from the area of cabinet, but if it was taken beyond that I don't know, I suspect it is as t'other week all the FTTP went down and the engineers where working in chamber near cabinet when I cycled past them, a while later on my way back they had moved further down road towards the exchange.
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(staff) Sun 03-May-20 18:12:22
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Re: FTTP for a minority off a cabinet


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Given fibre will be using existing ducting or poles where possible going close to a cabinet is the norm

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Standard User j0hn83
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 04-May-20 05:43:16
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Re: FTTP for a minority off a cabinet


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In reply to a post by Fastman3:
interesting comment but FTTP Still has to find a path back to the exchange and primarily will not be using the FTTC Blown Fibre path - or the cabinet as it has to get the to an aggregation node (normally deeper in the network) to enable it to get back the main headend (this could be a number of kilometres in smaller exchanges


I'd say it's the opposite of that. FTTP will primarily be using the same path as the FTTC fibre path.

There is already ducting in place between the cabinet and the home.
There is already ducting in place between the cabinet and the Aggregation Node. That's where the fibre feed for the FTTC cabinet comes from.

It's very common for FTTP rollouts to follow this route. They avoid installing new deducting where possible.

My own line is about 1km in length to the cabinet.
I just had FTTP installed.
The new fibre travels around 900m down the exact same ducting.
Around 100m before my cabinet the fibre branches off left towards the Aggregation Node, down the exact same route my FTTC cabinets fibre comes from.
So my FTTP cuts out the last 100m to my cabinet as it cuts across to the fibre spine.

Edit: obviously this isn't the case for every area.
Just more often than not the fibre will use all or most of the route the copper currently takes.

Rural areas can be an exception to this.
As can areas where the copper goes to a different exchange to the 1 the fibre goes to.

Edited by j0hn83 (Mon 04-May-20 10:23:59)

Standard User candlerb
(experienced) Mon 04-May-20 08:07:05
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Re: FTTP for a minority off a cabinet


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In reply to a post by j0hn83:
I'd say it's the opposite of that. FTTP will primarily be using the same path as the FTTC fibre path.


I can tell you that's not the case for my FTTP(oD) installation. It *does* use existing ducting, but does *not* follow the path of the copper.

Speaking roughly: the exchange is due South from where I live (and my FTTC cabinet is right outside the exchange); the fibre aggregation node is due South West.

I've seen the engineers drawings, and my FTTP path follows ducts which make sense to head towards the fibre aggregation node, rather than first heading to the exchange and then across to the aggregation node. It even goes past a different FTTC cabinet en route.

It makes sense when you think about it: FTTP forms a tree out from the aggregation node, while the copper is a tree out from the exchange. The two aren't necessarily co-located.
Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Mon 04-May-20 08:14:10
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Re: FTTP for a minority off a cabinet


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In reply to a post by j0hn83:
It's very common for FTTP rollouts to follow this route. They avoid installing new deducting where possible.

Agreed, I know our fibre cable goes the same route as our copper at least to the main road where our cabinets are located, where it goes from there I wouldn't know.

Paul

Standard User burble
(committed) Thu 07-May-20 12:01:32
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Yesterday I was out on my bike again and took more note of the properties supplied from our cabinet, this is probably only of interest to myself, but the OP might like to know he's not in the minority.
Our BDUK funded FTTC cabinet was installed between two small villages, it is close to the edge of one 'compact' village and I believe all (or most) of the properties there are 'suprfast', there is no sign of FTTP.
The first pole for my village is around 400m from the cabinet, and the village is linear(?) stretching away from the cabinet along a zigzag of roads for 1.4km, so a total of 1.8km from cabinet to last property as the lines run, understanderbly only around half these get 'superfast' FTTC. Last year BDUK funded FTTP was installed for the last half of my village to enable 'superfast' for all. As I cycled along I noticed that the first 6 poles had no fibre, then one had fibre, then two more with no fibre, then the remaining poles to, and beyond my house had fibre.
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