In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Chucking mud at the people who are trying to help you doesn't often work well. Particularly if you are trying to persuade them to change their view.

But the people in question aren't trying to help me at all. They are just trying to battle with me and goad me for its own sake because they are addicted to the process of forum conflict and debate (you will note the many thousands of forum posts many of them have, which in motivation terms goes way beyond wanting to help people). It is precisely because of people with this addictive forum posting personality type that I long ago stopped posting in most internet forums.

There have been helpful posts from people who agreed with me that there is inadequate and wrong information on broadband suppliers on FTTP exchanges and something needs to be done about this. But they made their helpful points and then moved on because they have other things to do in their day and their lives.

The people goading me are of course still here as it seems to be the main form of entertainment and enjoyment in their sunny spring Sunday weekend afternoon........

Edited by deleted (Mon 25-May-20 15:43:14)

Maybe we should all stop replying to you as you're clearly the aggressor.

In reply to a post by Capvermell:

What I can't for the life of me see is why we aren't all on the same page here about customers being locked in for far too long on fixed line broadband when 1 month contracts are the norm on SIM only data deals and there is also no equivalent of this all contracts are either 18 months or 2 years long with the big boys and 12 months with even the small broadband suppliers problem with gas or electricity supplies. Yes there are some contract of this length but they are the vast minority and contracts that let you leave on only the few weeks switching notice without any penalty are commonplace.

Sorry but thats utter rubbish. The best sim-only deals will be on 12+ months contract. Believe it or not, many people are fine with long contracts on broadband in exchange for rock bottom prices. If people want to be on 30 day rolling contracts then there are providers such as IDNet who offer monthly contracts (at least on FTTC) - but expect to pay more. You can't expect bargain basement prices on 30 day rolling contracts, its simple economics.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

If you want people to engage in a reasonable debate with your, then the post this reply is after is a prime example of why you have got the responses you have.

Actually that preceding post seems to have been totally removed by another forum moderator.

But no matter the people provoking the conflict don't actually have any constructive motive and do not want to help me or provide information but they so clearly enjoy the emotional conflict and the baiting itself, which gainsaying someone like me who they would broadly define as being "an over educated nonse" tends to give them.

Its precisely the same personality type that seeks to blockade the road in front of you and try and force you out of your vehicle for a punch up in retaliation for the most minor provocation in terms of responding to their aggressive driving or their deliberate invasion of your road space.

Surely in all the time you have been running web discussion forums you must have learned that this sort of personality type constitutes some of the most addicted and persistent and indeed most aggressive forum posters..............

I started, and shortly after, regretted, posting in this thread.

Maybe if we all stop replying, he’ll take his ill informed crusade elsewhere.

In reply to a post by Highland76:

Sorry but thats utter rubbish. The best sim-only deals will be on 12+ months contract. Believe it or not, many people are fine with long contracts on broadband in exchange for rock bottom prices.

If people want to be on 30 day rolling contracts then there are providers such as IDNet who offer monthly contracts (at least on FTTC) - but expect to pay more. You can't expect bargain basement prices on 30 day rolling contracts, its simple economics.

I had a 1 month contract with 6Gb of data and unlimited calls and texts with GiffGaff for £10 a month and when my ADSL modem broke it cost me only £10 more to upgrade to 80Gb of data at £20 a month. The supposedly unlimited data £25 plan is a con because if you exceed the 80Gb you get dropped to 384k speed and then can't buy another GoodyBag until the end of the month.

You can get slightly better value on SIM only by taking long contracts but it isn't worth it in relation to the penalties incurred if you want to leave because mobile coverage call reliability on their network suddenly gets worse (as it has here on O2 via GiffGaff during the lockdown).

Long contracts are generally of benefit to people who must have the latest Iphone every 2 years wrongly imaging they are getting it free on their £40 a month or may be more contract. However a 1 year contract on a SIM only deal may be ok if you are only paying £6 or £8 a month so the early termination penalties are very small. The early termination penalties on BT's Fibre 900 of over £1,500 in the early months out of a 24 month contract are not ok at all for anyone with any uncertainties about where they may be living in the future.

The thing is you clearly only want to see things in terms of what works for you as a man of probably great certainties and little analysis who probablyu doesn't value the freedom to be able to move suppliers if you are dissatisfied with the service you are getting.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

Maybe if we all stop replying

+1

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

Maybe if we all stop replying, he’ll take his ill informed crusade elsewhere.

And a man with 9844 posts in a forum does not of course have any of the characteristics of a troll or a forum addict,

I think what you are saying is that you have realised I am a man who is not going to cave or give up in response to bullying posts from forum addicts trying to tell me what subjects I do or don't have the right to discuss here.

Basically its a kind of turf war thing where because I don't post here as much as someone like you that you then seem to consider I am not entitled to hold opinions on a subject that are at odds with your and so try to intimidate me out of my right to post on a subject related to broadband that I hold strong opinions on.

Forums of this kind are all machismo and posturing and notably mainly only inhabited by males with almost no female participation at all..........

Did you read closely this post of mine?

It possibly explains why some sites are giving you duff information, as pointed out by MrSaffron. In effect FTTP is not rolled out by exchange, and G.Fast even less so. The fact that an exchange has FTTP or G.Fast capability (though not necessarily on-site, but that's another story), is a prerequisite for FTTC/G.Fast/FTTP but not a guarantee for any particular address.

Note that the new BT Wholesale number/Address checker no longer even reports by Postcode alone. That's because a postcode can be handled by more than one cabinet which makes a mess of estimating any form of xDSL service.

Entering just the postcode into the Address option does however give a drop-down list of the addresses in that postcode from which the details for each can be obtained.

Note that for phone numbers it only works for those known to BT Wholesale. Not those of LLU suppliers.

The thinkbroadband Main Site has this short guide to the topology of FTTC and FTTP deployment. G.Fast basically requires FTTC to be already available at an address close to a cabinet. (AIUI there are a small number of exceptions to that).

Edit: Typo fix.

Edited by RobertoS (Mon 25-May-20 16:10:46)

In reply to a post by dect:

+1

I'm sure you can all find a new target in another thread who responds exactly as you expect and are hoping to being told what they are allowed to think or voice opinions on