In reply to a post by Icaras:

...the residents will go nuts when they see the poles go up, they go mad when Tesco try to do literally anything with their store!!

Until BT turn round and say "fine, if you don't want poles, then you go to the bottom of the list for installation" just as happened in one London area where residents and council objected to FTTC cabinets.

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In reply to a post by Icaras:

...the residents will go nuts when they see the poles go up, they go mad when Tesco try to do literally anything with their store!!

Until BT turn round and say "fine, if you don't want poles, then you go to the bottom of the list for installation" just as happened in one London area where residents and council objected to FTTC cabinets.

Completely agree - except that this is Openreach doing this, who after ten years of having their nails clipped by regulation, have to be everybody else’s [censored], before they can consider doing what they know to be right.

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In reply to a post by MHC:

In reply to a post by Icaras:

...the residents will go nuts when they see the poles go up, they go mad when Tesco try to do literally anything with their store!!

Until BT turn round and say "fine, if you don't want poles, then you go to the bottom of the list for installation" just as happened in one London area where residents and council objected to FTTC cabinets.

Completely agree - except that this is Openreach doing this, who after ten years of having their nails clipped by regulation, have to be everybody else’s [censored], before they can consider doing what they know to be right.

Although I am sure they will find "internal constraints on planning resources" that will effectively do the same!

Same as ours, It's been excavated out of the ditch numerous times in the past cutting off everyone on the cable. The connector donks are just buried in the soil with a yellow tape tied to the nearest tree, when i cared i used to drive out to find which one was full of water before phoning in the fault.

Direct buried also gives me a giggle, the last repair was well over 5 years ago and in parts the only thing burying the cable is the long grass, The farmer at the end of the road directly drives over it everytime he drives into the two fields where the cable is just squashed into the surface of the gravel.

The final 300m or so is just fine up on poles across the field, never had an issue with that in donkeys..

Kicked off quite a discussion.

Thanks for your confirmation of direct in ground.

Cheers.

In reply to a post by partial:

Rightly so. It's bad enough the shoddy shallow direct in ground build that Virgin are doing without Openreach sticking up poles which nowadays have a much shorter life than they used to.

The future should be done properly.

I'll be sure to share that with colleagues in the many nations throughout the world that have FTTP delivered over aerial networks.

Will also let Virgin Media, CityFibre, etc, know that they are doing direct in ground builds despite the fibre cables going into microducts, and that they are building them shallowly despite their following the HAUC requirements for depth.

Anyone would think use of smaller ducts is kinda futuristic rather than having standard telephony size ducts but mileage may vary.

Edited by CarlTSpeak (Mon 10-Aug-20 11:40:17)

In reply to a post by kommando:

The line I had installed for ISDN was direct buried back in the 90's, its about 3" to 4" down and runs alone side drainage ditches and gully's for much of its length. Not much is needed by the diggers clearing them out of buildup and vegetation for the line to be cut, FTTP will be installed under R100 so dreading if they use the same route armoured or not.

You're all good. Partial really, really likes copper cabling. It's fibre he judges with a critical eye so while that installation was fine for ISDN FTTP needs to be about 300 metres underground in steel reinforced concrete tunnels to be acceptable.

In reply to a post by Swac3:

Direct buried also gives me a giggle, the last repair was well over 5 years ago and in parts the only thing burying the cable is the long grass, The farmer at the end of the road directly drives over it everytime he drives into the two fields where the cable is just squashed into the surface of the gravel.

Exactly what I've observed round my way too! The armoured cable isnt even buried and all the farm machinery just drives over it at the field entrances. Many people further up the road now rely on 4G or fixed wireless instead because they got fed up with poor service and outages on the copper service caused by the surface laid cable continually getting damaged.

Shallow directly burying plant is a bad idea. Anybody with any time served experience in maintaining it will tell you so.

So it is disappointing when the future is built in a shoddy way repeating the failures of the past.

In reply to a post by partial:

Shallow directly burying plant is a bad idea. Anybody with any time served experience in maintaining it will tell you so.

So it is disappointing when the future is built in a shoddy way repeating the failures of the past.

Who's direct burying nowadays?

Shallow yes, direct buried no.

Virgin media did my street with FTTP around 9 months ago.
It isn't the 2-3 inches deep horror stories that I keep hearing about but nearer a foot deep.

It's definitely not direct buried.