In reply to a post by busterboy:

In reply to a post by Highland76:

And on an iPhone 12 Pro (2x2 wifi ax):

https://postimg.cc/K1gZfky1

WOW first time I have seen an iPhone 12 speed tested wired or WiFi.

Quite remarkable if I'm honest.

What hardware does the latest iPhone have to achieve those speeds over the likes of my current iPhone 11 Pro Max, I know they are 5G capable.

Your iPhone 11 Pro Max should be able to achieve similar speeds over wifi 6, I *think* both this years and last years iPhones use the same wifi 6 chipset. I upgraded from an iPhone XS so I was due an upgrade (I usually upgrade every 2-3 years). But if I was in your shoes, I would keep the 11 Pro max as its still a very good phone. My other half will have to stick to her rusty iPhone X though 😂

In reply to a post by Holloway:

This is exactly my logic for the 500 product not being worth 49.99. BT are offering their 300 product to new customers for 39.99 but they won't let me choose that, only 500 for 49.99.

It changes, almost daily.

Right now, BT are offering me at https://www.bt.com/broadband/deals

150M: £39.99
300M: £49.99
900M: £59.99

and at https://www.bt.com/campaign/full-fibre

150M: £34.99
300M: £44.99

They don't offer me 500M at all. Nor do they offer me 300M for £39.99 (which you say you have seen).

BT are not the only players in this game now, but it does seem that the 300M level is being squeezed out. Zen residential have cut out everything between 100M (£39) and 500M (£55). Sky will sell you 150M for £35. Talktalk do 150M for £34.95 and 500M for £39.95.

Basically, if you're cost-sensitive, try to live with 150/30. If you want performance, then you can get 500/70 for not much more.

I'm on Cerberus (a business provider), where their 300/50 level still makes sense. It's only marginally more expensive than 150/30, but going up to 450/70 is significantly more expensive.

In reply to a post by Highland76:

In reply to a post by gary333:

Getting 500mbps over WiFi isn't very easy and most equipment won't be able to do this.

Most 2x2 AC WiFi cards top out at around 866mbps, however that is full duplex. As WiFi is half duplex the maximum speed is actually half this at around 433mbps. Added (well reduced) from this are overheads. I don't think you'd get more than 95% of the above 433mbps which then leaves you in best case at 390mbps.

Sorry but that's incorrect. Quite easy to get more than 500 Mbps on 2x2 WiFi ac clients. Its all about the quality of hardware used at both ends and the environment. Its even possible to get over a Gigabit over wifi 5 if using a 1024QAM 4x4 router and pairing that with a 1024 QAM wifi 5 card such as the Asus PCE-AC88U.

This is what I'm consistently getting on an iPhone X (2x2 wifi ac) on a 1 Gig FTTP line, i'm 100% sure the phone isn't breaking any laws of physics.

https://postimg.cc/fJPzY714

And on an iPhone 12 Pro (2x2 wifi ax):

https://postimg.cc/K1gZfky1

Contrary to popular opinion, using a wifi 6 router will even improve speeds on wifi 5 clients as the wifi 6 chipsets used offer better performance on legacy clients than previous wifi 5 & wifi 4 chipsets. I would also recommend using a proper high end 4x4+ consumer router (even as additional APs) rather than 2x2 or 3x3 wifi access points as the high end routers massively outperform ceiling mounted APs.

This is why I said “most”, i.e. the most common equipment that the average Joe has. Yes, with 160mhz channel width you could double the figures I quoted on AC. However most people have what came with their mid priced / lowish end machines, and as you will know it is cheapo poor performing gear.

I was referring to a 80mhz channel width over AC. Happy for you to point out if my numbers are wrong, however the intent was to demonstrate to the person above talking about Wifi speed being poor. I didn’t say AC couldn’t go higher. I assume you are not using a basic/ISP router, as not many support 160mhz channel width.

Edited by gary333 (Tue 27-Oct-20 19:59:40)

In reply to a post by busterboy:

What hardware does the latest iPhone have to achieve those speeds over the likes of my current iPhone 11 Pro Max, I know they are 5G capable.

The iPhone 11 Pro (and Pro Max), the iPhone SE (2020) and all the iPhone 12 models are WiFi 6 capable. You just need to pair them with a WiFi 6 router and a fast network

In reply to a post by candlerb:

In reply to a post by Holloway:

This is exactly my logic for the 500 product not being worth 49.99. BT are offering their 300 product to new customers for 39.99 but they won't let me choose that, only 500 for 49.99.

It changes, almost daily.

Right now, BT are offering me at https://www.bt.com/broadband/deals

150M: £39.99
300M: £49.99
900M: £59.99

and at https://www.bt.com/campaign/full-fibre

150M: £34.99
300M: £44.99

They don't offer me 500M at all. Nor do they offer me 300M for £39.99 (which you say you have seen).

BT are not the only players in this game now, but it does seem that the 300M level is being squeezed out. Zen residential have cut out everything between 100M (£39) and 500M (£55). Sky will sell you 150M for £35. Talktalk do 150M for £34.95 and 500M for £39.95.

Basically, if you're cost-sensitive, try to live with 150/30. If you want performance, then you can get 500/70 for not much more.

I'm on Cerberus (a business provider), where their 300/50 level still makes sense. It's only marginally more expensive than 150/30, but going up to 450/70 is significantly more expensive.

https://www.bt.com/campaign/full-fibre-240 for 300 at 39.99. BT won’t offer it to existing customers.

Just went live on TalkTalk and I'm getting higher speeds than I was on BT.



The router supplied isn't bad either and one of the good things is being able to set your own DNS on the router itself.

Edited by Holloway (Fri 13-Nov-20 08:56:52)

Great speeds! Yeah, the TalkTalk Wifi Hub is an excellent piece of kit, I have the same router on their business service.

Re: DNS, I'm using Oracle DNS (aka Dyn DNS) on TalkTalk Business. I was previously using Cloudflare DNS but got fed up with sporadic outages on their DNS service lately.

https://help.dyn.com/dyn-internet-guide/

Thanks for the DNS tip, I was using CloudFlare too and noticed images not loading on sites and all sorts so I'll give DynDNS a go.

Speeds are exceptional now and I'm getting this on the TalkTalk router on a 2015 MacBook Pro:



And all for £40...

Do you know how TalkTalk handle an IP block on their Hubs? I am considering getting a business service installed for someone I help out, and I think the best way to try and get the router configured would be to have the /29 block appear on the 'LAN' interface (Wi-Fi, NAT, DHCP, firewall etc. all disabled) and then connect whatever firewall they have currently to this, which should keep things like the admin interface accessible from inside the network to view line stats (this would be FTTC).

I can't really find much information on TalkTalk's website about how their static IP service works - even if there was a single static IP service available with a bridge mode in the Hub that would also be acceptable, as long as there was a way of still accessing the UI to get connection stats like you can on the DrayTek 130 modem.

There's no reason why we couldn't buy a DrayTek modem if that's the easiest way to go, but I quite like the idea of retaining the TalkTalk equipment on the line as it can then be kept updated by them, and will feed all the relevant information back to them so there's no need to swap kit around for testing. This is reliant on it being able to be set up in an appropriate way though, and TTBs product documentation is quite poor.

Just an update. After clearing out the duct myself, Openreach were back out two days later to lay the cable then I had to wait for the next available engineer to hook me up which was last Friday.
All up and running now although it quickly showed up the limitations of my powerline adapters at home so spent yesterday running Ethernet cable to my home office and a switch.
Should have done that a long time ago! Got the 500/70 package so happy with the speeds:

https://i.imgur.com/04ut99n.png