In reply to a post by candlerb:

I see the opposite. In an area where Openreach have lost business to Virgin Media then there's a very good business case for deploying FTTP to claw back customers and gain incremental revenue.

I agree, I think we're going to see a lot of Openreach overbuilding VM as a priority. A cursory and unscientific look around London on the TBB maps shows that most areas where OR FTTP has been built to cover large areas (rather than new build / FTTPoD) also have VM.

Community Fibre seem more interested in areas not served by VM - but it's a smaller sample size and not really possible to draw conclusions from.

Edited by ft247 (Mon 01-Feb-21 17:59:27)

In reply to a post by candlerb:

I see the opposite. In an area where Openreach have lost business to Virgin Media then there's a very good business case for deploying FTTP to claw back customers and gain incremental revenue.

In Sussex there are a few towns (pop. around 50k) with no VM, whom only have VDSL. I see Gigaclear already digging the streets. No sign of Openreach. VM have also commented they "might" be interested in developing as a Project Lightning location. Whereas in Hampshire two towns that have VM and VDSL, have no signs of any activity from OR or any alt net. (pop. around 90k).

Maybe it depends on the size of the town?? If 100k or more, more likely to have take up per home passed?

More likely just that Openreach can't build everywhere at once.

Last I heard, their aim was 15 million properties by 2025, and 20 million by mid-to-late twenties (out of about 30m properties total in the UK).

In reply to a post by candlerb:

More likely just that Openreach can't build everywhere at once

Of course, and hence they have to prioritise. I would hope towns with only Openreach copper are ahead of towns with VM, but I suspect its driven more on the expected return on investment calculations, than the competition availability.

High end GU15 1RU

I recall the original coax pull was bad and replaced with a better grade (thicker). Ex CableTel.

I am currently enjoying great wifi courtesy of, and inpatient in an NHS hospital in Guildford... so my NowTV subscription needs to be cancelled or paused.

Thanks for the "reminder".

@Zarjaz high numbered end of GU15 1RU .

In reply to a post by danielhyde:

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

Kind of predictable slam dunk for CF. Virgin DOCSIS access tech. isn't really in the same ballpark.

What would be interesting is a comparison of Openreach FTTP vs CF - in the same approximate location - not John o' Groats vs London ...

Also a comparison to Virgin's FTTP would be cool

Thanks
Dan

Virgin don't do FTTP, they do RFoG, which is the same DOCSIS system delivered over a fibre cable, which goes in to a media converter on the outside of the house, then is coax to the superhub as normal.

In any case, here are some ping logs from this morning on a Gig1 SH4 HFC connection, and a 500m SH3 RFoG connection.

https://imgur.com/a/5W8eE3E

Technically it actually *is* FTTP, as in it fits the definition of fibre to the premises....

However Virgin Media FTTP uses neither of the 'typical' PON related architectures (GPON, NG-PON2 or XGS-PON etc.) nor for that matter Point-to-Point (usually 1Gbps or 10Gbps BiDi ethernet) FTTP network designs typically used by either Openreach or any of the other Altnets.

Instead they use DOSCIS 3.1 via RFoG and essentially media convert (using Vector Technologies, Boostral 610 or 711 modems) at the premises to back to coaxial for both their Hubs/modems and for set top devices.

Virgin New Build Handbook (Developers Guide) on p.27 sums their HFC and FTTP network:

Virgin Media HFC and FTTP Network Comparison

Virgin Media FTTP on a New Build Site

Virgin Media New Home Pre-Wire for FTTP

You are a long way from your cabinet .... 1970’s direct in ground cabling abounds round there.

Not far from you at all.