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Thanks for the update. The NAS access sounds interesting and until I got one the upgraded Internet would also speed up other online backups, though I've no interest in the game downloads. There's been no activity here since November and no leaflets so I guess they've learned from previous experience.
Have you needed a fancy router or do they provide a decent one?

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Any updates?

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In reply to a post by Safcsat:

Thanks for the update. The NAS access sounds interesting and until I got one the upgraded Internet would also speed up other online backups, though I've no interest in the game downloads. There's been no activity here since November and no leaflets so I guess they've learned from previous experience.
Have you needed a fancy router or do they provide a decent one?

The sheer speed available just allows me to do whatever I want really, probably stuff I haven't even thought of yet. Love it.

The router they provide is an Eero Pro for the consumer and business lines uptown 1Gbps, anything over that and you use your own kit. They provide the ONT of course.

I am using the new QNAP QHora-301W - seems really good and stable so far!

Thanks.
I can certainly understand the Qnap for its VPN and security when using your NAS.
Not sure I'd want the provided Eero with Amazon to be so central to my home network!

Nice 10Gbps might be a bit overkill for me, but if you can get it, why not!

I'm still waiting for mine to be installed, but I can see them out of my window a few street away, so hopefully I'll be connected in a month or so.

Whats your ping times like? I seen screenshots of speedtests that were around 20-30ms (I'm assuming the person who took the screenshot was on wifi or is using a power-line adapter, etc.)

Whats the ONT that they supply? I've read somewhere thats it's a AdTran 621X which has a 1x1GE and a 1x10GE port. I'm only asking as I'm just about to pull the trigger on a Mikrotik RB4011iGS+RM (upgrading from a Mikrotik hEX) and I'm thinking it might be better to get a router that supports being able to connect to a WAN device at 10GE (however the RB4011iGS+RM only has 1 x 10GE port).

In reply to a post by Easen:

(however the RB4011iGS+RM only has 1 x 10GE port).

The RB4011 is a very cool device - I have it (although I am not using the 10GE port).

There is one caveat. The ten 1G ethernet ports go via internal switches, but those switches can't do VLAN filtering. This means that if you want to have the same subnet appear on multiple ports, then the bridging between them has to be done in software. It can cope - it has 4 cores after all - but a single bridged iperf stream in this mode achieves only around 800Mbps and maxes one core.

This was an odd choice, given that some of the cheaper routers - even the hEX Lite or hEX PoE - have VLAN-capable switches. The full table is here. I also have the hEX PoE, which has a single slow core, but it can switch at wire speed.

Anyway, just think of the RB4011 as a router with 11 ethernet ports. If you want high-performance switching, then connect an external switch.

Slight correction. If I bring out the same VLAN as access ports on the same switch (I tested ether6 and ether8), then CPU load is about 40% on one core, with about 800M of iperf traffic running across. The other cores are idle.

If I bring out the VLAN as an access port on one switch (ether6) and a trunk port on the other switch (ether 3), that's when I see 100% on one core when running iperf between them.

Either way, this is switching in software, not hardware.

Edited by candlerb (Thu 08-Apr-21 10:07:55)

Thats really odd as their test results suggest that the RB4011 can route way more traffic than the hEX.

https://mikrotik.com/product/rb4011igs_rm#fndtn-test...
https://mikrotik.com/product/RB750Gr3#fndtn-testresults

Reading their wiki it looks like the RB4011 has 2 switch chips "RTL8367 (ether1-ether5); RTL8367 (ether6-ether10)", I guess this is why you are getting differences in speed and CPU usage if you try to route traffic between the two chips, where as the hEX has 1 chip (MT7621).

It also says that the MT7621 and the RTL8367 are the same feature wise, (both support port switching - I think that means hardware offloading?), however I suspect RB4011 uses the CPU to 'bridge' the two switch chips, hence the pinned 100% cpu usage under load from ether3 & ether6.

I'm not planning of running VLANs at the moment, I just need a router that can support wireguard & fq_codel (RouterOS 7) at 1Gbps speeds.

Would you still recommend it?

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Thats really odd as their test results suggest that the RB4011 can route way more traffic than the hEX.

Routing, yes; switching, no. (Switching = traffic between devices on the same subnet; routing = forwarding traffic between different subnets).

There are some other limitations, such as "fasttrack" forwarding only being supported for IPv4 not IPv6, and not on bridge vlan interfaces. But even without it, a single core on the RB4011 can route or switch nearly a gig (v4 or v6) in one TCP stream - and you have three cores left over for other traffic.

The hEX PoE can route nearly 900M of v4 with fasttrack, but route less than 300M of v6.

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Would you still recommend it?

Yes: the price/performance ratio is still very good. The software switching performance is good enough for what I need, and I could always partner it with an external real switch if necessary.

Not sure if I can help anyone on here with any queries?

I’m the YouFibre Area Sales Manager for the North East.

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We’re always growing day by day on the number of properties we’re able to supply to, don’t get me wrong there has been and will be a few bumps along the way, but I’m sure those already connected with us will confirm that it’s worth waiting for.

If anybody wants any more information please don’t hesitate to get in touch either with our customer service and sales teams or contact me directly.

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Netomnia (who provide the network sold by YouFibre) are currently installing the network in Stroud (Gloucestershire), and have already some up & running in Stonehouse & Cheltenham. I've seen a lot of vans around my road with "Light Source working for Netomnia" and new cabling going up telephone poles with new boxes at the top. I would expect my area to be live within a month or so.

The nice thing to me about a brand-new install is that I don't need to have my existing FTTC ISP disconnected when the new line is installed - I can make sure YouFibre is running nicely, but keep my network to network VPN and various RDC (secured by blocking IP addresses other than mine) working until I've added the new fixed IP address and tested them.